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The actual reason Armanti is on the team...
Sep 01 2012 07:03 AM | Zod in Carolina Panthers
I seem to remember at OTA's back in 2010 Hurney was asked about Armanti and what was in store for him.Hurney's reply, and this is going from memory, was that the Panthers would be transitioning him to WR and have a three year plan for him to develop in that role.
Well, here we are starting out year three. And while most of us don't believe he has shown enough to be kept on the roster, it is hard to deny that he has improved a bit as a player. So he has not regressed, only made progress year after year.
So what it boils down to is Hurney being true to his word regarding Armanti. It is not unheard of for things to "click" very quickly with a third year player. Maybe it will this season for Armanti.
We all should be really hoping so.
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1st punt - Downed by HOU at 26
2nd punt - 34 yard return - Adams
3rd punt - out of bounds
So again, where is the fumble? You keep making up stuff.
Joe Adams didn't lose a fumble against any team but Pitt on than one punt.
Nary a drop.
And that stat you so love. Is Fair Catches. Which is 1. Nothing to do with muffs or fumbles. Which are not listed on Panthers or NFL.
So muffs, when a player does not actually catch the ball, does not count against the PR? May not be a stat. But I don't trust a guy that can't catch consistently.
Ah hell, can't wait to see who catches the first punt against Tampon Bay. Come on AE. Just so the Huddle can fap. And Adams can learn a lesson. More the latter, cuz I really don't want AE on PR.
But I will defend to the time to go to bed. My right to call BS. So I expect it in return. Just thought I would be wrong when it finally happened.
Adams is shaky personified. And I hate it.
Name the quater and game Joe Adams lost a fumble outside of the Pitt game.
You said - Miami - which was false
You then said Texans - which is false.
Joe Adams lost one ball. One turnover. You falsely claimed he had several turnovers.
4 at first then changed it to 5.
He didn't lose it but he muffed a kickoff in the end one but picked it up. Adams' ceiling as a return specialist vs Edwards' is obvious, but he does have an issue with ball security. Repeatedly stating that he has only one turnover does not negate the high potential that his inability to cleanly field the ball may cost us dearly this season.
The question posted earlier holds water... How much of a premium should be placed on 5-10 yard improvement in average return yardage vs ball security given the potency of our offense?
I think you're interpreting what he's saying as "turnovers". At least that's the impression that I get from you saying "lost a fumble". Hubby is just referring to times that he let the ball hit the ground. Muffed punts that are immediately picked up and fumbles that are immediately recovered by the initial ball carrier are not tracked as "fumbles" in official statistics (in most cases). If you don't remember Adams letting the ball hit the turf on more than the one official fumble then you have a very bad memory.
Maybe, Mare could have hit a few more FG's if we got him 5-10 yards closer.
I know he did....was just waiting to see if this guy could even name that one. He did muff a kickoff....but this guy claimed he fumbled 4 punts.
Given the fact our D will still be weak....O needs all the help they can get to put up points. It is more than just PR average....the longest PR last year was a league low 17 yards....how many times did Adams break that in preseaon? That will help Cam and the O. Would be huge to get those returns when the O hits slumps like they did in the 2nd half of games last year.
Like I said, you want a legit playmaker....you deal with some errors. Cam, Smitty, Williams....they all have their moments as well. It is the Armanti Edwards type guys who simply can't make an error.
Will Adams make some boneheaded plays? Absolutely. He did at Ark. Big plays make up for it. PRs are rare and a natural thing for some....he looks the part out of the gate. Easy call IMO.
I'm with you in hoping that Adams is the home run hitter that we've lacked for almost a decade. If he continues to put the ball on the turf, however, I don't believe he is worth the risk.
and we were talking about punt returns....so his KO muff may have some merit to it in terms of the big picture but wasn't included in PR discussion.....bc it wasn't a PR.
One of the greatest return men in NFL history couldn't of done much more than Armanti last year?
Okay, I give up.
AE is awful and won't be on an NFL roster in a few weeks.
Always making progress.
A second round pick should not be a #5 wide out. That's idiotic.
Armanti is a mistake. Not because he is transitioning but because of the cost to acquire him. That's the hugest mistake that was made. Armanti isn't to blame for that. What we can blame on Armanti is his progress. It's just barely existent. That's the problem. He's a camp all-star but the lights never come on in an actual game.
Should he be used in another way to maybe soften the blow of the resources used to obtain him? I say hell yes. Let Chud go ahead and use him in a wild cat WITH Cam, Dwill or Stew and Tolbert in the backfield. Use him in several plays designed for him. Even if it's 10 specific plays, that's making the most of him.
My gripe is that he's not being used correctly. It's obvious that he's not PR material. he's barely WR material. Use him in innovative ways. We have one of the most sharpest minds of football as an offensive coordinator. I'm sure he can cook up plays for him.
Just use him now. Don't have him ride that bench.
Use him for what? I'd rather run plays with our better players like 89 and Stew
You have a reading comprehension problem. I stated that he wouldn't have done more with the majority of the return opportunities last year.
You should give up... on life.
Wildcat. The guy has a freaking strong arm and he's accurate. Have him and 89 with other players we have run plays together.
Remember that play they ran on Tampa where I think it was legs catching the ball on the line of scrimmage? Then he threw it back to cam and he was wide open and he ran for like 15 or more yards? I'm talking about plays like that. I know these will work only so many times but he'd be the man to do it.
Use him adequately for christ sakes if your going to be stubborn to keep him around. It's all I'm saying.
Here is one of your posts....here you claim 2 turnovers.
This was proven false. Joe Adams had one preseason turnover
This was your first claim....that was proven false. You claimed he had 4 turnovers here. later in this thread you reduced it to 2....then in the new thread you acknowledge the factual one turnover.
Happy?
Is it possible after all this time we learn that Hurney is terrible at evaluating college talent?
I know I wouldn't wingman for him at the bar, unless i felt the need to snag a heifer at 2 am
Happy Hog Hunting. Sometimes you gotta get it out your system. Snare one and make her squeal