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The case for firing Rivera and the case for keeping Rivera

Jan 01 2013 10:52 AM teeray Carolina Panthers
I like most fans love to get on a bandwagon and ride the fug out of it. But with Rivera I can't seem to make up my mind I think we should do. Here is the way I see it from both sides of the issue.

Fire Rivera

Game Management: Let's be honest. The game management has been less than satisfactory. Whether it is choosing to throw a hailmary instead of attempt a 50 yard field goal at the end of a half, using a final timeout instead of spiking the ball with 30 seconds on the clock on the 5 yard line, or wasting timeouts because we are getting plays into the huddle too slowly the game management has been terrible. These little things that can be the difference between being 7-9 and 10-6. Rivera is still on a learning curve when it comes to game management and it is costing us close games. I think this can improve, but it is still disconcerting when it happens time and time again.

Lack of Confidence: One of the big knocks many of us had against John Fox is that he was stubborn and wouldn't compromise his convictions to better fit his personnel. And that is a very legitimate gripe. However, there is something to be said about a coach who is confident in what he is doing despite what everyone else thinks. When I look at Rivera I see a guy who is not confident in what he wants to do. For example, against ATL we were fairly aggressive on defense and Roddy White gets behind the defense and we lose the game. So then the next game we are in a similar situation against CHI what do we do? We go too soft in coverage and let them run slant after slant right down the field for a game winning field goal. When you are not confident in what you are doing you have a tendency to overreact and over correct when one game doesn't go right. Confident coaches stick to what they believe will win more games, and doesn't let the result of one game change that conviction (for better or worse). Rivera seems to be unsure of how to handle these game situations and therefore is susceptible to overcompensating when one game goes awry. This will also improve in time as Rivera finds his identity and sticks with it. But how long do we give him to figure that out?

Keep Rivera

The Scheme is mostly good: I like what we are attempting to do on both sides of the ball. We have seen what both sides of the ball can do. The defense was pretty good overall this year. The offense was pretty good overall last year (and the end of this year). So it seems to be reasonable to think that eventually it will all come together and we will be really good on both sides of the ball. I truly think that what we are trying to do overall is the right approach. The offense has been perfect for Cam's abilities (and limitations) and the defense is finally coming together and is an interior lineman and secondary upgrade away from being really dominate.

Cam's development: Cam is only 23 years old and is developing as a QB. He is also a QB with unique abilities. It has taken the better part of 2 seasons for this coaching staff to figure out how to best utilize those abilities. I think the last half of this season is representative of the coaches better use of Cam Newton as well as Cam's own mental development. Changing coaches at this point will result in new coaches playing with their new toy for another two years as they figure out how to best incorporate Cam's abilities into their new scheme. Cam is on the brink, I think he may have a break out season next year, and so I am wary about a coaching change that might stunt Cam's growth or delay his true breakout season.


So basically, I have become pretty indifferent about the whole thing because I think a strong case can be made for either firing him or keeping him. The new GM and JR have a tough decision to make, and no matter what they decide I will see the logic in it.

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It doesn't matter anymore we are stuck with being content and mediocre. The fact that reminds is Richardson is going to bring Rivera back. Smh


Hopefully Richardson isn't bringing Rivera back.

Richardson is hiring a GM who will make that decision.

Hopefully.

You are saying that because RR finally got things turned around after Hurney got fired and he was put on the hot seat is a good reason to keep him?


First, let me say thanks for at least admitting RR got things turned around :thumbsu:

Seriously though. All I am saying is that regardless of how he turned things around, he did. And because he did, he earned another year.

This team is only competitive because we have Cam and Rivera knows how to coach up a defense. I don't believe we will ever reach our true potential with Ron as HC.

That said, I could live with him returning, but only if Chud is replaced by an OC/AHC with good game management skills (to help Ron in that area).

We go into next year with the same staff and I expect the same results as years 1 and 2. Flashes of brilliance, flashes of ineptitude.



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All I know is, if we're going to keep him we need to get someone in here with some major NFL experience to help him out with things such as: clock management, knowing when to go for it or not, etc. We need to get an older offensive coordinator or assistant coach. Also, Chud needs to go.

So basically, I have become pretty indifferent about the whole thing because I think a strong case can be made for either firing him or keeping him. The new GM and JR have a tough decision to make, and no matter what they decide I will see the logic in it.

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Easily your best post ever on the Huddle, Teeray. good stuff man, money

Easily your best post ever on the Huddle, Teeray. good stuff man, money


Thanks for the kind words!

I personally think my post in the John Kilgo thread about masturbating on my keyboard to brazzers.com is my best post. But nonetheless I appreciate your kind post.

It doesn't matter anymore we are stuck with being content and mediocre. The fact that reminds is Richardson is going to bring Rivera back. Smh


I would like to make a motion to throw ban SMH SMDH and YOLO as 2013 banned acronyms.

BJ you are to me the MOST vocal fire Rivera guy on here as to your 139 different post about Rivera
should go threads.

Who is this" Warlock of football" we will bring in If you were the GM to right this ship with flawless turnkey success?

I have not heard any name or combo of fantasy combos of three head coaches that I can see doing this personally so.

Also is Jack Del Rio a possibility?! :o

I would like to make a motion to throw ban SMH SMDH and YOLO as 2013 banned acronyms.

BJ you are to me the MOST vocal fire Rivera guy on here as to your 139 different post about Rivera
should go threads.

Who is this" Warlock of football" we will bring in If you were the GM to right this ship with flawless turnkey success?

I have not heard any name or combo of fantasy combos of three head coaches that I can see doing this personally so.

Also is Jack Del Rio a possibility?! :o


Well their is a couple of guys I feel that would be great coaches. I really like Ken Whisenhunt. When he actually had a pretty good QB in Kurt Warner he went to the Super Bowl. He also did a good job developing Ben Roethlisberger when he was with the Steelers. The second person I believe would be a good HC is Greg Roman. He has ties to the Panthers organization and has done a good job the past couple of years in San Francisco. I also would love for JR to look at Chip Kelly.
Both seasons...let's look at what Rivera's record looks like against playoff teams.

2012
2-3

2011
1-6

And then you couple our wins with end of season wins where a lot of teams are packing it in for the season, explain to me again why Rivera's wins are anything worthy of saving his job.