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Don't Overlook Gilmore

Apr 21 2012 05:32 PM ClarkCam Carolina Panthers
Let me explain my thoughts and reasoning. This guy has 4.4 speed, is 6'1", 190 pounds, and is all around prototypical corner build. This guy has also played at the SEC level and was a leader on his team. Gilmore has been shooting up draft boards and has even been rumored to be seen as better than Claiborne. If we got this guy, I think this would be not a reach, but a great pick. It fills a need, and he would arguable be the best player on the board.

Here are sources citing how highly he is ranked comparatively to Claiborne, and picks.

SI's Peter King, Dan Pompei of the National Football Post, and NFL Network's Mike Mayock and Mike Lombardi have all recently either reported or suggested that Gilmore is top-ten material. In Caplan's mock draft he has Gilmore going to Buffalo with the tenth overall pick.

People all around the league are talking about the potential and skill of this guy, and most of you are too stubborn to like him. All corners will get burned, and yes, he needs to stay lower to the ground in his backpedal, but this guy is top 10 material.

NFL Films' Greg Cosell also stated in a Friday radio interview that Gilmore is a better prospect than Claiborne, the 2011 Thorpe Award winner. "He's a hot guy," Lombardi said of Gilmore. "I was told Jacksonville actually likes him more than Claiborne." Lombardi also sent Gilmore to the Jags in his latest mock draft. At this point, we'd be surprised if Gilmore got out of the top-ten picks, and No. 7 seems his likeliest destination.

http://www.rotoworld...stephon-gilmore

Here is just a video showing some good and bad plays of Gilmore. One of the better blitzers out of the slot that I've seen at corner.

This is from a year ago mind you, and he has been getting better...... This guy breaks on the ball hard.

So, what I am trying to say is, don't discount this guy. He is a legitimate prospect who has good game tape as well.

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I guess it's not meaningless but it's not something you look to when comparing corners like you did.

And yes I would consider it overrated. And Reevis isn't a good corner because he can make a 360 INT, he is good because he limits the throws to his side of the field.

Ball skills are something you look at when you compare corners, and I don't know who told you otherwise. Covering ability is the most important, but if you poo the bed when the ball is in the air and the WR can catch a jumpball over you every single time, that's not good.
I didn't say that was the reason Revis was good, but it's certainly a part of his game that makes him great, his ability while the ball is in the air.

Ball skills are something you look at when you compare corners, and I don't know who told you otherwise. Covering ability is the most important, but if you poo the bed when the ball is in the air and the WR can catch a jumpball over you every single time, that's not good.
I didn't say that was the reason Revis was good, but it's certainly a part of his game that makes him great, his ability while the ball is in the air.


I didn't say ball skills aren't something you look to when comparing corners. I said interceptions aren't something you look to, two different things.

You are better off being good in coverage with subpar ball skills than the other way around. Because if you get beat constantly it doesn't matter what kind of ball skills you have.
lance tore him to pieces, i know him pretty well since i played against him multiple times and used to ball with him. but anyway gilmore isnt that good, just a last week guy that shoots up the boards from workouts and combine and not from the on-field work. I still want dre kirk a million times over gilmore
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Some of you continue to say "he is a reach", my point was that he would not be a reach. If you want to say he is a reach, you should say why. This guy doesn't have perfect technique, but he continues to improve. Every season he has played, he continues to get more tackles. This guy very well could be BPA at #9. Every corner has shitty tape on himself.... I think this guy has the most potential, and it seems like everyone just likes to say "he is a combine guy", when in fact not many analysts or scouts have come out and said that this was true. Many analysts and scouts are even coming out and saying that he is actually good on tape and the combine.... I think it is pretty ignorant to say that he is only good at the combine, that simply is not true.
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Herbert The Love Bug
Apr 22 2012 01:43 AM

I want Lance Lewis on this team..



Went to his rival high school. Watched his entire high school career. He was absolutely unbelievable. He and Dee Bost (SG for Mississippi St.) were unstoppable. He huge, fast and catches everything. Only reason he didn't go to a bigger school was because of grades.
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Herbert The Love Bug
Apr 22 2012 01:43 AM
but yeah, would not mind Gilmore as a Panther but wouldn't be my first choice at 9.
Bottom line was Gilmore was not a shut down corner in college. His play on the field was terribly inconsistent. Got beat and gave up big plays a lot.

Hell to the fuggin no you dont take this guy in the top 10.

Im still not convinced Gilmore is better than Hosley and Hayward.

He damn sure aint better than Jenkins.
In my opinion: If Cox and Coples are gone, Gilmore will be our pick.
Does anyone in here evaluate film and know what to look for when a CB is playing Zone or Man?


If you can tell the difference, then ask yourself if you can tell which play is being ran and who's got what assignment...


If you can't do both of those consistently, don't say anything about Gilmore getting burned or playing bad.



Heck most on here thought that Kirkpatrick was playing Zone all the time in college when he even admitted in an interview that Bama ran mostly Man and the zone looks they played were bump and run man coverage that floated into zone coverage in some places depending on what routes where ran.
Stats are irrelevant for defenders. I bet if you looked hard enough Alabama's D is on the field a lot less than USCs. Gilmore appears to have all the measurables and ok tape to back it up. He does have holes in his game so maybe he's not worth a 9th pick. I'm leery of any player that makes a huge jump in the media rankings because generally actual scouts don't change their grades nearly as much as a pundit who's trying to draw interest to his stories.
I was fine with taking him, but after watching some of his games on YouTube he looks awful. He gets burned on at least half the passes that get thrown his way and is below average as a tackler. It's like watching Sherrod Martin at corner.

He's got great size/speed, but that's not enough. I'd rather take Coples than this guy and I'm by no means on the Coples bandwagon. I really hope Cox is on the board because he's head and shoulders above both Coples AND Gilmore, IMO.
Guys that might be there and be worth the 9th pick

Cox
Keuchly
Gilmore
Floyd

Caplan said last night on Sirius that this was the deepest WR draft in history. Also said that there was not a "megatron" in this draft. Cross off Floyd

Said Kuechly was best LB in draft probably fit better in 43 at MLB but could play Sam or Will. Not a slam dunk need. Cross off Floyd.

Gushed about Cox and said he might not get past 6. All scouts he had spoken to said he was a great prospect and chould play all DLine positions except for nose. Far and away the best DL in draft.
Definite consideration.

Gilmore was another guy who eh said could go top ten just because of his skills and the fact that he had a big upside. He has been compared to D Woodson because of toughness, ability to rush QB and could play left, right, slot CB positions. Definite consideration

Said that Cox, Gilmore and would most likely be the targets of top ten trades
Jenkins has the best pure coverage skills out of all the CBs. But for the off-field issues, he would be top 10. Better than Claiborne, Kirkpatrick and Gilmore. Since Jenkins will be around later, I wouldn't pick any of his less skilled on-field rivals in the first. But that's just me.
I don't like Gilmore at 9. He's a decent cover corner and gets burned man to man. I hope we get Janoris Jenkins in the 2nd. He's far better than Gilmore. More baggage, much better play. We could run man D.
As someone who watched him play quite a bit this season, I strongly disagree that he's a top10 talent. Then again, my evaluations are rarely accurate.

Does anyone in here evaluate film and know what to look for when a CB is playing Zone or Man?


If you can tell the difference, then ask yourself if you can tell which play is being ran and who's got what assignment...


If you can't do both of those consistently, don't say anything about Gilmore getting burned or playing bad.


No one can evaluate film because none of us have game film. Youtube mixes aren't the best ways to evaluate players but they do show you tidbits on players.

I watch CFB and that's how I evaluate players, by actually watching the games. I can tell you Gilmore is not worthy of a top 10 pick. Sometimes it's hard to spotlight a CB on TV because the camera follows the ball and they are off screen many times. But you can tell when CBs are getting picked on, when they are having a rough time, when they are missing tackles, and so on....

Don't tell me you have to evaluate game film to know Captain is a poor CB.

Heck most on here thought that Kirkpatrick was playing Zone all the time in college when he even admitted in an interview that Bama ran mostly Man and the zone looks they played were bump and run man coverage that floated into zone coverage in some places depending on what routes where ran.


Maybe I am only speaking for myself, but I think most acknowledged that he would seem to be better suited for zone not that they mostly ran zone necessarily.

Jenkins has the best pure coverage skills out of all the CBs. But for the off-field issues, he would be top 10. Better than Claiborne, Kirkpatrick and Gilmore. Since Jenkins will be around later, I wouldn't pick any of his less skilled on-field rivals in the first. But that's just me.


I'm with you, that makes a lot of sense. Why draft Gilmore at 9 when you can get a better CB possibly at 40?
Cam Newton is a bust he aint even know no NFL laungauege how he gonna learns the NFL...pass we need Fairley
In fairness to Gilmore, only a few of those Lance Lewis catches were against him. Looked like SC was in zone on a lot of those plays, especially the short hitches and slants. The first jump ball was a bad play by Gilmore, he didn't play the ball in the air correctly. On the second one he just got outjumped by a bigger guy, that happens sometimes, even to the best corners. I think Gilmore is at least on par with Dre Kirkpatrick, although I wouldn't take either player at 9. Value wise, I think both players are really late first round guys who will be picked earlier because of a weak overall cornerback class. If the Panthers trade down, Gilmore could be a good pick, he would fit as a solid #2 corner across from Gamble, but I don't see him as a guy that could ever fill that true #1 role in the long term, meaning we would need another CB in a few years.
If Cox, Coples, and Ingram are all gone, I would be more than happy to take Gilmore.
Wait....are people still really trying to argue that Stephon Gilmore is worth a top 10 pick? Hahaha man I can't wait for the draft to be over.

Wait....are people still really trying to argue that Stephon Gilmore is worth a top 10 pick? Hahaha man I can't wait for the draft to be over.


I don't know if he will be or not, but, like I said, if Cox, Coples, and Ingram are gone (which there is a slight chance of that happening), I wouldn't mind taking Gilmore at 9.

I don't know if he will be or not, but, like I said, if Cox, Coples, and Ingram are gone (which there is a slight chance of that happening), I wouldn't mind taking Gilmore at 9.


That's exactly why I just want this to be over, I'm sick of all of the what ifs because they are infinite.

The reality is that if somehow ALL of our guy's are gone before our pick for some STRANGE reason, we will go Michael Floyd because he is the best player available in the eyes of our front office. Also don't dis-include Kuechly.
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CardiacCats
Apr 22 2012 12:03 PM
We can have Cox/Jenkins or Gilmore/Still. If you pick the latter you're an idiot.
jenkins may be gone before we pick. suppose still could be, too.

more about cox vs gilmore. can't predict the 2nd round like that. I'd rather have Cox but who knows.
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