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Panthers vs. Eagles Pros & Cons

Nov 28 2012 01:16 AM Icege Carolina Panthers
What did you see that you liked? What did you not like?

Pros:
-Greg Hardy has continued to be a wrecking force. He is doing great against the run, pressuring the QB, and being one of the first bodies down field on special teams (which I imagine is terrifying for some of those little returners).

-While he was on the field, Jonathan Stewart ran like a man. He fights for yards and bowls over defenders. Being able to retain him was a bigger deal than some folks might realize, especially with his diversity as a back: he can pick up blitzes, he can catch the ball coming out of the back field, he can pound it between the tackles, and he can take it off tackle.

-Sherrod Martin came out at the start of the game playing like a man possessed.

-Amini Silatolu was blowing dudes up.

-DWill, while he hasn't been ripping them off when he has had blocking (which isn't very often), has been a whole lot meaner in pass protection than in seasons past.


Cons:
-Nate Chandler was the culprit behind Brown's big touchdown scamper in the first half. He followed the fullback and backed into James Anderson, which allowed the free released tackle to envelope both and seal them off for Brown to spring free. Neblett was also getting shoved backwards a few yards when he was in. I'm hoping that Frank Kearse can provide some help there, as the loss of big Ron might be bigger than many here think.

-Please stop running the option on 2nd down. If it's 2nd& 10, it is always for a loss. If it's less, it's for no gain. The only time I've seen the play have any remote success is when done on short yardage situations (make sense imo).

-Nakamura is terribad.

-Louis Murphy has hands made of stone. The big catch he had that was also called a PI he caught after the ball bounced off of his hands, then his face mask.

-Charles Godfrey is still missing tackles.

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I'm really impressed with Greg Hardy's play. Talk about someone who has exploded this year. I seriously owe him an apology. I've said we should get rid of him, when in reality, he hadn't been horrible over his career. (He didn't deserved the criticism he gotten from me over the past two seasons) I'm sorry Hardy!

I would like to see us draft Devin Taylor, and we will truly have a four man monster rotation at DE.
Amini's second decent game in a row. He was really destroying people, he knocked Gross' guy down several times. Josh Thomas coverage, tighter than a ten year olds butt hole.

Didn't like Gross on skates, Amini saved him all night. Also didn't like Martin, never do. Josh Norman still plays too soft.

I like AE on kickoff returns, he looks comfortable. Good balance of patience and speed hitting the hole. Way better than than the Kealoha jog or the Joe Adams hokie pokie
AE looks like hes really running kicks back hard now. i see him hitting the hole. this guy might finally be getting it....not saying hes not a bust but, i do see a slither of something in there.
I know we focus too much on Cam around here, but bear with me a minute...

It was clear the plan was to have Cam work on getting rid of the ball quicker and make quicker decisions. He generally did that very well, so kudos to him and Chud (ugh) for that adjustment. However, there was one throw to LaFell in the 2nd quarter that never should have been made. Cam was trying to get the ball out on a quick timing route, and he threw it without even glancing at the coverage. Although it wasn't picked, it could easily have been a pick 6. That's just one of those little growing pains every QB goes through, so I'm sure he knows it was a mistake and will work to correct it.

And yes, I'm worried about the loss of Edwards. We need to address the nose at some point in the offseason as neither Kearse nor Fua appear to be any kind of long term answer.
cons: it wasn't pretty.

pros: we figured out how to finish (unless it was another fluke)
Pros: Chud got a clue on using Cam under center, Cam looked good on deep balls

Cons: Chud still wants to run his poo even though its clearly inferior, also we need to win by more than 8 points if we have that big of a TO margin
I second the praise of Hardy, as to me it seems well deserved. He and Johnson seem to have a chemistry and the talent that makes them a formidable force, something DCs will definitely have to game plan for. I also liked the blocking I saw from our RBs. And maybe it's just me, but I feel like LaFell gets more and more comfortable with each passing game. He seems to be growing into that Mushin Mohammad sort of receiver we've been missing for so long.
Pros - a W is far better than a L

Cons - we beat a very bad team with horrible defensive problems, their starting QB and RB out, and they #1 WR out before the half. Not sure that I'm as excited about this win as I should be.

Pros - a W is far better than a L

Cons - we beat a very bad team with horrible defensive problems, their starting QB and RB out, and they #1 WR out before the half. Not sure that I'm as excited about this win as I should be.

would you put it past this team to give away a sure win or one we had in the bag?

huge step in the right direction. just finishing what the team started.

would you put it past this team to give away a sure win or one we had in the bag?

huge step in the right direction. just finishing what the team started.


Agreed. I was still surprised they finished and pulled this one out.

With minutes left in the Tampa game, when we still had the lead I told my wife (jokingly) that we would lose the game. Much to my surprise I was right, when in all honesty I thought we had it in the bag.

Regardless of the opposition a W is a W and hard to complain about. I just wish I was more pumped up about it than I am.
pro's:

cam is capable of being everything we need him to be at the position, it was one of his good days and i want to say that is two games in a row without an int.

our players haven't given up and continue to play hard and want to win.

con's

i think it was obvious our defense game planned for anther 50 pass attempts by foles and didnt adjust to the run vey well.

our offensive line is still a joke

we have too many dumb penalties

teams are reading the option too good to run it so much

AE looks like hes really running kicks back hard now. i see him hitting the hole. this guy might finally be getting it....not saying hes not a bust but, i do see a slither of something in there.


Pros:

AE does look like he's running hard and hitting the holes now, but is it just me that thinks he looks like he's running in quick sand? He just doesn't look fast.

Martin played hard the other night, made some big plays and hits.

Cam looked marvelous throwing it sometimes and a few times he looked horrible... weird.

Cam running more was definitely a plus, and he is being smart and getting down instead of taking hits. I love that.


Cons:

Hardy making a clean tackle and getting a Personal Foul... that's BS.

Gross does not look good at all.

Chud is still a dumbass... line up in the I, run it well... oh well, that works, let's not do it anymore...

Timeout and time management are a huge issue for this coaching staff. Rivera is horrible at it and he also doesn't trust his players and now they KNOW it. As frustrating as it is for us... imagine how it is for them.
Pros:
The Kracken was out all night long.
Cam looked like the old Cam. Nice on the long ball.
Players are still playing

Cons:
Edwards loss is huge. Hopefully Stewart's ankle heals quickly.
Cam still inaccurate on those short throws.
We fired a kicker just to get another kicker that should be fired. smh
I'll probably get hosed for this but I've been really impressed with Josh Norman all year. He has covered some quality receivers this year and for a rookie, he looks to be the real deal in the next couple of years. Really good draft choice and an excellent value.

Downsides, I love him but Smitty needs to really calm down with the scuffling and jawing after the play. I believe that it's happened in every game. I love the chip on his shoulder probably more than anyone but geez...calm down. Most corners are intimidated by his play anyway.

I continue to be impressed with our front four.

O-line was actually good this week and gave Cam time to pass. It's about time.

I'll probably get hosed for this but I've been really impressed with Josh Norman all year. He has covered some quality receivers this year and for a rookie, he looks to be the real deal in the next couple of years. Really good draft choice and an excellent value.

Downsides, I love him but Smitty needs to really calm down with the scuffling and jawing after the play. I believe that it's happened in every game. I love the chip on his shoulder probably more than anyone but geez...calm down. Most corners are intimidated by his play anyway.

I continue to be impressed with our front four.

O-line was actually good this week and gave Cam time to pass. It's about time.


Smitty does seem to be a lot more overt with his in-your-face pushing and shoving this season. I mean, he's always been like that, but he seems to be much more on the edge this year. I've sensed several times he was right on the verge of getting some dumb penalties.

I'm gonna assume he knows what he's doing though until he does actually start getting penalized for it...

Amini's second decent game in a row. He was really destroying people, he knocked Gross' guy down several times. Josh Thomas coverage, tighter than a ten year olds butt hole.

Didn't like Gross on skates, Amini saved him all night. Also didn't like Martin, never do. Josh Norman still plays too soft.

I like AE on kickoff returns, he looks comfortable. Good balance of patience and speed hitting the hole. Way better than than the Kealoha jog or the Joe Adams hokie pokie


Who says tighter than a 10 year olds butthole?

Sandusky has Internet in prison???
I like the fact that the defense didn't give up any points in the 4th quarter. That shows growth for me. Philly had the run game going on us, but there were only 2 big plays that led to points for them. The 60 yd. run and the 50 yd. pass interference. I kinda thought the PI was BS, but I can see why they called it. Nakamura was playing the man, Norman was playing the ball. If Nakamura had just stayed out of the way, Norman has a pretty good chance to come down with it. Instead...they have at around the 10 yd line. That doesn't happen, I doubt the Eagles would have mustered more than another FG. On the run we just had a bad play. We got beat.

Philly still had a number of key starters on the field. And may I remind you that we were without three of our best players: Kalil, Beason, and Gamble. Maybe it's not quite as bad as Philly, but we had a makeshift O-line for that game as well.

It was a much needed win and we saw SuperCam on MNF. That was pretty awesome. I think the guy is turning out to be a bit egocentric, but I'd rather have him on my team that play against him, so that's respect. This kid can completely take over a football game. I liked how Cam was able to audible more at the LOS and I think he did a fine job of picking up yards with his feet. He had a game very reminiscent of McNabb, McNair, or even Steve Young. At his best, he is that style of player. But he could still be SO much better. It's scary...

I like Norman. I think he will turn out to be our starting #2 for years to come, but I don't see him getting to the #1 level any time soon. We still need a great corner across from him to make him more effective. Munnerlyn has been good-to-great this season. Another great value draft pick. Still, we are going to have to address #1CB and a FS in the offseason. Otherwise our D is in good shape.

All in all, I hope Rivera gets fired. I'm starting to get a little worried he won't. Let's say we win 2 more games (KC and Oakland)...We'd have 5 wins and I think he'd get another ride. We have a legitimate shot at winning 4 out of the last 5 (I don't think we will, but I could see a way that that could happen). What if we did finish the season with 7 wins? How could you possibly let rivera go? Would that be worse than finishing with only 3 or 4 wins? I don't know.

All I know is that when the Panthers win, everything feels right with the world. That's why I keep coming back. They keep winning, I won't complain.

I like the fact that the defense didn't give up any points in the 4th quarter. That shows growth for me. Philly had the run game going on us, but there were only 2 big plays that led to points for them. The 60 yd. run and the 50 yd. pass interference. I kinda thought the PI was BS, but I can see why they called it. Nakamura was playing the man, Norman was playing the ball. If Nakamura had just stayed out of the way, Norman has a pretty good chance to come down with it. Instead...they have at around the 10 yd line. That doesn't happen, I doubt the Eagles would have mustered more than another FG. On the run we just had a bad play. We got beat.

Philly still had a number of key starters on the field. And may I remind you that we were without three of our best players: Kalil, Beason, and Gamble. Maybe it's not quite as bad as Philly, but we had a makeshift O-line for that game as well.

It was a much needed win and we saw SuperCam on MNF. That was pretty awesome. I think the guy is turning out to be a bit egocentric, but I'd rather have him on my team that play against him, so that's respect. This kid can completely take over a football game. I liked how Cam was able to audible more at the LOS and I think he did a fine job of picking up yards with his feet. He had a game very reminiscent of McNabb, McNair, or even Steve Young. At his best, he is that style of player. But he could still be SO much better. It's scary...

I like Norman. I think he will turn out to be our starting #2 for years to come, but I don't see him getting to the #1 level any time soon. We still need a great corner across from him to make him more effective. Munnerlyn has been good-to-great this season. Another great value draft pick. Still, we are going to have to address #1CB and a FS in the offseason. Otherwise our D is in good shape.

All in all, I hope Rivera gets fired. I'm starting to get a little worried he won't. Let's say we win 2 more games (KC and Oakland)...We'd have 5 wins and I think he'd get another ride. We have a legitimate shot at winning 4 out of the last 5 (I don't think we will, but I could see a way that that could happen). What if we did finish the season with 7 wins? How could you possibly let rivera go? Would that be worse than finishing with only 3 or 4 wins? I don't know.

All I know is that when the Panthers win, everything feels right with the world. That's why I keep coming back. They keep winning, I won't complain.


I agree with most of what you said. I still think the GM starts fresh with a new coaching staff. Their scheme and decision making have sabotaged this season. New GM will want his own people
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