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Everything posted by Khyber53

  1. With all of the press coverage of CMC's arms, the hype is going to encourage some smaller DBs to make a serious business decision and veer away from trying to tackle the guy.
  2. Nope, apparently just a brow beating.
  3. I'm sorry, at what point did I lie here? And on the matters of rape and incest, I would not bar a woman from having an abortion. Also, you might want to go back and read my original post and follow through from there. It's obvious you haven't read it or even considered what is in it. Until then you're just another blowhard foaming at the mouth while repeating the same old statements.
  4. You are a loon. I've said nothing about jailing anyone, but I can tell you will always move to a nuclear option rather than discuss something. Good luck to you.
  5. Neat piece of memorabilia there! The John Kasay signature with the Bible verse on it is a cool touch!
  6. Look, you want to base the argument on semantics. Whether you mark it at the 24 week point of development for sentience or not doesn't change the argument. If a child is born premature at 21 weeks, does it qualify as a living human being or can the mother simply request that someone end its life with no qualms, penalty or even question? The actual moment of sentience isn't as important as the moment at which we, as a society, would consider it no longer a clinical fetus but a human being. Where would you put that point at?
  7. You're a bit of work, aren't you?
  8. It is verifiable, and it is someone trying to make a sensible distinction. I'm not sure that's the right time, but I can say that I think that ethically they are moving in the right direction.
  9. There are many beyond the point of birth that are that way, some well into their 20s and 30s, separated by just a basement door and a set of stairs. We can do better than living off its mother as a dividing point.
  10. How about we refer to that time as the approach to sentience. Awareness working toward an inevitable self awareness?
  11. Not sure where you are getting your numbers from here and your last statement doesn't make a lot of sense. And yes, plants do react to stimuli, that doesn't change the argument I was making in the least. In this case, reacting to outside stimuli is considered by the National Institute of Health to be a sign of nervous system and brain development. Like I said, it is just a sign that the potential for sentience is developing, creating that gray area.
  12. Please see my edited post above. I realized just throwing it out there without making a case was pretty cowardly. Can't just drop something like that without willing to state my case.
  13. It is completely possible to make an argument for Pro-Life based purely on science and ethics, without religion entering the discussion. No one ever wants to go there, though, as it deviates from both sides' well-worn arguments. First, we have to all agree, and it's pretty basic on this, that our understanding of fetal development has improved greatly since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. Next is the question of when a fetus becomes a viable life on its own. Once the fetus can survive outside of the womb (with medical assistance), I think it would be reasonable to assume that the fetus is now what we would call a baby and entitled to the rights of a full human being, including the protection of its life from outside threats. The most premature babies to be born and survive (in this case to full adulthood) are 21 weeks and five days (James Elgin Gill, born on May 20, 1987) and at 21 weeks even (Lyla Stensrud in 2014). Gill weighed in at 1 pound, 6 ounces and Lyla was just under 1 pound in weight. Both survived and are leading healthy lives. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that we should put the brakes on elective abortion (for non-medical, rape or incest issues) at this point? Scientifically, we've moved from a point where the child can not just survive but develop from here. In legal terms, you could make a serious case that you are selectively killing a life at this point. There's just not much of a way to back out of it from here. The child is medically viable at this point using not just today's technology but that available back in 1987. One should, however, look not just at survival outside the womb, to be honest. Ethicists and scientists have made cases that actual sentient human life in fetuses begins much earlier than that and anyone who has been involved in a pregnancy knows, fetuses begin reacting to outside stimuli before 21 weeks. Fetuses react to touch beginning in the eighth week and react to noise by the ninth. While both of those are lower end developmental responses, it doesn't take much reasoning to see that somewhere between eight weeks and 21 weeks that you have the development of sentience and a human life. At what point? I don't know. I don't think science has yet to pin point it and I am not sure that it can as there can be any number of factors involved, from developmental issues to questions of actual conception dates to even nutritional factors and outside stimuli. There's a big gray area in there that constitutes about three months of development wherein an abortion could either be removing a developing protoplasm or could be ending a human life. I'm not comfortable, nor qualified to say where that fine line should be drawn, but I'd be more comfortable if we had biologists, physicians and ethicists drawing that line rather than lawyers, judges, rights advocates and religious zealots doing so. There are the arguments about the rights of a woman to choose what is done with her body and yes, they are important ones, without a doubt, but ethically there is also an argument to be made as to when a developing fetus develops to the point of having certain rights of their own. I don't think any but the cruelest would put that line somewhere along the birth canal. We do, as a people, consider it a crime if a woman gives birth to a child and immediately kills it (and those cases roll through our news feeds a few times each year) and it is right that we do consider that murder of the worst degree. How far, we have to ask, is it proper to roll back the clock on that act to the point at which it is no longer murder but a viable medical procedure? This is a tough one to argue and tackle, and a downright uncomfortable one if we shed the protective arguments we've couched this in for 45 years now. It's complex and complicated, painful and one where we have to look at not just what is legal but what we, as a people, can provide as an alternative. Simply eliminating abortion without providing post-natal care (perhaps for as much as a lifetime in some cases) would be even more problematic and vile.
  14. They didn't pay much attention to Steve Smith, Sr. for the first couple of years, either. And then... well, you remember and so do about 65 DBs who got beat senseless over the next few years. DJ is going to be great. He hasn't even arrived yet.
  15. Whitewashing is easy when you use a big paintbrush.
  16. One of a very few comedians who could make me laugh so hard that it would bring tears to my eyes. He, Harvey and Don must have the angels rolling in the aisles by now.
  17. Ahhh the Jets, some things never change.
  18. Oh yeah, the Iran Nuclear deal was working, or at least it was something verifiable and had international backing in case of actual breaking of the deal. But Herr Trump broke that deal, making the US the miscreants rather than the Iranian government. Let that sink in... (And if you've noticed, since he broke that deal, his ability to make other international deals has gone down the toilet... credibility is an important yet fragile thing). So many other acts of diplomacy we've done in the region over the last 70 years have also been for naught much of the time (except for the Camp David Accords worked out by Jimmy Carter, Egypt and Israel, which was masterful). Yeah, I support green and clean energy, but let's talk about the concrete here and now, too. Oil is still the big gorilla in the room and will be even for the next two decades if we make the switch. As a German man whose job it was to set up power plants and grids around the world once told me, "Power sources are generational, and that's why I am in this business. If I sell someone an oil-fired plant, then that country will use it without question for a full generation and my company will make money for twenty years no problem. Same for coal-fired, hyrdo or even nuclear. Twenty years before I have to go back and sell them an alternative."
  19. 100%. Honestly, in nearly 70 years of interaction with the Middle East, we have tried direct intervention, regime changes, Arab Spring (we'll find out it was beautifully orchestrated by the Obama administration), peace-keeping forces and all out war. We have tried diplomacy, we have tried to out and out buy loyalties, we have both soft peddled and hard sold negotiations and deals left and right. And we have just gotten ourselves entangled into a sticky mire of infighting, shifting loyalties, religious extremism and international terrorism. In the end, we should have just let the area fight it out among themselves. Power would have shifted back and forth, real nations been born and eventually peace would settle itself (but not until awesome and terrible bloodshed). The Middle East, like Europe before it, has been a series of communities who gleefully wanted to slit each others throats. And no peace would be had until they had destroyed themselves and found themselves sitting in some mosque-heavy version of a bombed out 1945 Berlin. It's horrible, but true. And the oil would still have flowed, it will always flow. It is the treasure that keeps that region burning and churning. It would have been harsh and so many children would have died in that, but they wouldn't have been ours dying for nothing.
  20. I don't want my generation's children being sent to die in a war to cover up for Trump's dalliances and to support Saudi Arabian interests. My generation was sent off to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq and with that war still going on, the children of those soldiers, sailors and airmen are coming of age to enroll and be shipped off to fight in that same arena of the world for little to no real gain, except for profit. I am tired of American lives being sold so cheaply.
  21. Bolton is the moustachioed fifth horseman of the apocalypse.
  22. You've got to base it off of last year and questions about his recovery from the shoulder injury. I can't blame them for placing him there considering what a high firepower passing league it was last year. That being said, it's still the offseason and no one really knows anything right now, people are even trying to crown the Browns as this season's best team. Let that sink in. Give it time, we'll see how things turn out. And, honestly, I didn't even know the Sporting News was still a thing. I thought they'd gone under a few years back.
  23. He was actually one of our college scouts from 2003 to 2007, so he's got a Panthers pedigree. He also spent five seasons in the NFL as a player, mainly returning kicks for five different teams.
  24. We've already spent more time on this discussion than Cam spent on putting that outfit together. Really, aren't there more important things than getting all judge-y on what our QB does for a social event? It's beginning to sound like Melissa and Joan Rivers screeching on the sidelines of any given red carpet event.
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