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Jeremy Igo

A Josh Norman holdout looming?

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If he wants to actually compete, and win, particularly for a championship, get a deal done here.

He can talk about L.A. as much as he wants, the Raiders aren't going to be doing jackshit for awhile. Even he knows this.

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We all have to make a living.  Josh is wanting as much cash as he can get, just like Cam and everyone else.  You would all do the same.

If he is wanting crazy money for real, then sign and trade with someone might be the best route.  But, we are a long way from having to hyperventilate.

At this point, it is a negotiation.  Nobody is throwing bombs yet, so I suspect we will know something before the draft.

I would think a 3 year with a 4th year option, total about 42 million would be enough

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Raiders could be interested in him. He can be interested in the Raiders. It is irrelevant because he isn't going anywhere. 

This is why I love Gettleman. He isn't allowing anything Josh says effect this situation.

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1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

"I'm loving the sun out here" is not a nod to LA. It is a nod to the Raiders, who are interested in him. 

Like sign him to an offer sheet interested? That would be a bold move.

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30 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

What number are the Raiders picking in the first?

14th

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The way this is going, I hope we send him to the Raiders. He is going to be a disruption here.

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5 minutes ago, Ship said:

The way this is going, I hope we send him to the Raiders. He is going to be a disruption here.

I said this the other day to one of my friends. Seems like it's leaning to that point, hope it doesn't tho.

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That 14th pick would net us a nice player...hmmm.  IF a trade were to go down for the Raiders 1st

 

14th pick - Best DE/OT/Treadwell

30th pick - Eli Apple/Kendall Fuller

5th year options on both players selected, and the saved cap space right now. Or even trade up into the Top 10. 

 

Vs.

"Possibly" only one more year of Norman. 

 

A trade for a 1st is beyond a longshot...but I know which scenario I'm choosing. 

 

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2 hours ago, stirs said:

We all have to make a living.  Josh is wanting as much cash as he can get, just like Cam and everyone else.  You would all do the same.

If he is wanting crazy money for real, then sign and trade with someone might be the best route.  But, we are a long way from having to hyperventilate.

At this point, it is a negotiation.  Nobody is throwing bombs yet, so I suspect we will know something before the draft.

I would think a 3 year with a 4th year option, total about 42 million would be enough

I could not agree more, but his strategy is a gamble.  If he holds out, getting a better deal next year is highly improbable and he would actually lose millions. 

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http://www.axonpotential.com/athletes-and-age-of-peak-performance/

This gives you some idea why you need to be cautious about signing a 28-year old athlete to a long-term deal.  Marty did the same thing with D. Williams and rarely do you get your money's worth.  Norman is peaking---and he wants the Panthers to bet that he will play at the highest level for 3-5 more seasons.  He is probably at his ceiling, and wants to be paid as one of the best for a longer period of time than he has been one of the best.  Note in the link that speed athletes (athletes that use speed to compete) across many sports start sloping downward at the same age--27. 

Most athletes that play into their 30s do so by making up for the waning physical prowess with veteran intelligence.  Does Norman have the same intelligence as a Darren Woodson?  Jerry Rice?  even a Peanut Tillman?    I do not see it, but I do not know.  I can assure you that Gettlemen has an idea.

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29 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

http://www.axonpotential.com/athletes-and-age-of-peak-performance/

This gives you some idea why you need to be cautious about signing a 28-year old athlete to a long-term deal.  Marty did the same thing with D. Williams and rarely do you get your money's worth.  Norman is peaking---and he wants the Panthers to bet that he will play at the highest level for 3-5 more seasons.  He is probably at his ceiling, and wants to be paid as one of the best for a longer period of time than he has been one of the best.  Note in the link that speed athletes (athletes that use speed to compete) across many sports start sloping downward at the same age--27. 

Most athletes that play into their 30s do so by making up for the waning physical prowess with veteran intelligence.  Does Norman have the same intelligence as a Darren Woodson?  Jerry Rice?  even a Peanut Tillman?    I do not see it, but I do not know.  I can assure you that Gettlemen has an idea.

I think that you may be overlooking Josh's football IQ a bit.  He is an athlete to be sure, but is he really among the elite athletic corners? With speed for example, he isn't the fastest or the quickest guy, and when he first came into the league you could see it (especially with some bad angles and overpursuit). It is his film study and willingness to invest in technique that has made him one of the league's top corners today.

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6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Direct responses to your discourse above in bold:

Your last point is the most valid, but reconstructing deals prolongs the inevitable and never saves the team money--it usually costs the team more.  I would give him top 5 money--but guarantee less than 50% and make it front loaded.  Norman probably wants top dollar, guaranteed at 60% or higher.  Gettlemen is not stupid, and he is not going to sell the farm for a position that, in the current system, can be replaced.  It is about asset allocation.  Fundamentally, we will pay for certain positions, but will not be held hostage by a CB.  I want him re-signed, but an athlete that relies on speed peaks at 27.  Norman will be 28.  He is playing great right now, but it is not predicting the future to realize that his athleticism will diminish. That is certain.  No crystal ball needed.  No psychic reading.  It happens to every single athlete.  All of them.  So YOU are predicting that it will not happen to him in the next 4 years--that he will defy the odds like a very few exceptions have.  THAT is predicting the future.  Would you put $50 million on the fact that his skills will not diminish and he will not be worse in 3-4 years than he is now?   I would not.  He wants 4 years of top $$$.  Again, trust Gettlemen.  He is not going to regret a deal in 2018 he made in 2016. 

 

If YOUR gonna be the grammar police in a forum were have the people are half assing more power to you.

 

You keep making these assumption that Norman's career is all down hill from here, how the hell can you be so sure when I just gave 4 examples of guys who all played well in there 30s. And no Revis and Ty Law were not great athletes they have always been more technically sound than anything else.

 

Offensive coordinators are gonna study him? Wtf

So are you saying after giving up ZERO TD in 2014 NFL OC weren't taking notice of him until now? Really?

The Giants changed their entire game plan when they went against Norman, they had Beckham coming out of the backfield, The Falcons used Julio as the Y receiver when he usually plays X when the face Norman. 

 

Last year our pass rush was so bad Norman was the main one keeping our D afloat especially when Luke was out.

 

And no reconstructing a contract usually means more guaranteed money which is better for the cap

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6 hours ago, TheRed said:

If he wants to actually compete, and win, particularly for a championship, get a deal done here.

He can talk about L.A. as much as he wants, the Raiders aren't going to be doing jackshit for awhile. Even he knows this.

I disagree.  The Raiders have been slowly improving.  

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4 hours ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

That 14th pick would net us a nice player...hmmm.  IF a trade were to go down for the Raiders 1st

 

14th pick - Best DE/OT/Treadwell

30th pick - Eli Apple/Kendall Fuller

5th year options on both players selected, and the saved cap space right now. Or even trade up into the Top 10. 

 

Vs.

"Possibly" only one more year of Norman. 

 

A trade for a 1st is beyond a longshot...but I know which scenario I'm choosing. 

 

It's not a long shot.  Again Revis fetched #13 overall plus a conditional 3rd/4th at the same age.  They'd guarantee themselves a first team All-Pro vs the "lotto" of this mediocre draft class by all accounts.  Would be a win/win and I'd take it straight up.

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