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6 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

Maybe I'm dumb but why didn't they just go after Negan right then and there and kill him. Not saying it would stop the war but killing him would've been a major blow to the saviours. 

Negan should of been dead a long time ago.  He pretty much just struts around with magic fairy dust on him.  Like there is a magical dumpers hovering over him.   He has pretty much begged a group of people who are great shots to take him out countless times.   

Maybe it happened in the comics, I don't know....but Rosita shooting him at point blank range only to have a bat magically eat the bullet was just one of countless examples.   Just in this episiode, outside of missing him wide open with 50 shots, Rick couldn't even wound him popping through the hole in the barrier with like 100 rounds. 

I mean I know it is a zombie show so it isn't "realistic" but they could limit some of the absurd stuff. 

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33 minutes ago, Bronn said:

I just looked into it a bit. It seems last night's episode was pretty much issue #116 or so in the comic.

In the comic, Dwight gets the "pooping your pants" line from Negan about the horde.

Around the same time, Holly gets captured after breaking down the gate to let the horde in. Gabriel kinda took that role on the show.

However, Holly's death has pretty much already been done with Sasha on the show, so I don't really know what they have planned for Gabriel. But, it doesn't look good.

I'm going to look into the spoilers now. Here's some stuff from the comics:
 

  Spoiler Alert!


In the next few comics post-116, we basically get a lot of dialogue... Maggie punches Gregory in the face, so maybe the show will do that. A few issues later is when Negan's group return to Alexandria with Holly in tow, and they also launch the grenade assaults. It'll be interesting to see if they do that on the show.There's also an assault on the Kingdom, and Shiva dies. Richard dies then too, but I would bet the show does that big guy with the axe in for that death.

 

we will probably get the standard go to character routine with Father Gabriel (that they have done with Carol, Rick, etc).  Now Gabriel goes back to being a bitch character.  Then eventually he reverts back to being the new badass priest just when needed. 

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53 minutes ago, Bronn said:



The timeline bouncing got a little Lost feeling. 
 

First thing I thought of when they showed Rick's flashforward/dream whatever moment......was this comes off just like LOST and even features a Dr. Jack-esque shitty beard. 

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14 minutes ago, CRA said:

Negan should of been dead a long time ago.  He pretty much just struts around with magic fairy dust on him.  Like their is a magical dumpers hovering over him.   He has pretty much begged a group of people who are great shots to take him out countless times.   

Maybe it happened in the comics, I don't know....but Rosita shooting him at point blank range only to have a bat magically eat the bullet was just one of countless examples.   Just in this episiode, outside of missing him wide open with 50 shots, Rick couldn't even wound him popping through the hole in the barrier with like 100 rounds. 

I mean I know it is a zombie show so it isn't "realistic" but they could limit some of the absurd stuff. 

Meh I'm just a casual fan along for the ride but that one was so obvious it was just really dumb. 

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Yeah, from what I've read in interviews leading up to this season, as well as speculation in reviews after last night:

 

Several "big" deaths happen this season.  I'm guessing with Gabriel ending up in the RV with Negan and no one from the group has mentioned him in the aftermath, there is one victim.  The visions flashforwards to Rick kneeling beneath the stained glass, is supposedly alluding to the comics where he decides to let Negan live after the All Out War.  But, it appears they're going to veer away from the source material when it comes to The Whisperers and The New Beginning stuff, as Rick's vision of him with the cane has Alexandrians preparing for that festival and Rick is present.  Whereas in the comics,  if I understood it correctly, Rick has left Alexandria to look for Carl and Alpha came and murdered some of his people.  So, what does this mean?  Regardless, I'm guessing the same people The Whisperers killed will be offed in some form or another this season - Rosita, Ezekiel, Gabriel, among others.  I'm wondering if they will finally take Judith out as well, at the hands of Negan would be my guess if it happens...  which would give further context to the "let my mercy..." line in the flashforward.  Inalso think the Garbage People are The Whisperers.  Andrew Lincoln and Kirkman also both have said Rick does not survive until "the end," and alluded to the show moving on without thr main character at some point...  so, there's that to think about.

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also, the flashforwards?  Lame as fug. 

Hey guys, we are about to enter an ALL OUT WAR!!!  oh, by the way, here are some characters we will show you upfront don't die. 

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too much of this kind of poo 

cut down on the speeches, counting, and other dumb gimmicks and replace it with action or meaningful dialogue.

second half of this episode was decent but the # of plot holes, minor and major, once again is astounding.

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I feel like they're setting up Carl's death. Rick was crying, then the opening credits, then the next scene is Carl with that guy that quotes "my mercy prevails over my wrath". 

Then we get to the end and go back to rick crying and he says those words. 

Seems to me like something is going to happen between that guy and Carl

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35 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I feel like they're setting up Carl's death. Rick was crying, then the opening credits, then the next scene is Carl with that guy that quotes "my mercy prevails over my wrath". 

Then we get to the end and go back to rick crying and he says those words. 

Seems to me like something is going to happen between that guy and Carl

That's an a good point.  They do constantly plant things here and there in the dialogue that pop back up later...  i've thought about the possibility of thrm eventually taking out Carl, but I've immediately dismissed it, because afaik, he plays a big role in the comics from this point on, especially with Negan and other factions...  but, thye do keep going back to that well teasing it way yoo many times...  even last night, after the guy that said the "mercy" line, one of the Saviors' lookouts told Rick his boy was gonna die, which I thought to be oddly timed and somewhat random...  but, in hindsight, i think they're dropping clues that they're leaning towards that hay being a strong possibility.

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6 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

That's an a good point.  They do constantly plant things here and there in the dialogue that pop back up later...  i've thought about the possibility of thrm eventually taking out Carl, but I've immediately dismissed it, because afaik, he plays a big role in the comics from this point on, especially with Negan and other factions...  but, thye do keep going back to that well teasing it way yoo many times...  even last night, after the guy that said the "mercy" line, one of the Saviors' lookouts told Rick his boy was gonna die, which I thought to be oddly timed and somewhat random...  but, in hindsight, i think they're dropping clues that they're leaning towards that hay being a strong possibility.

Exactly. And these visions or whatever of old man Rick are rick thinking about what could have been or what he wish could happen 

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If they kill Carl off on the show, it will be a sign that the show is ending.

TWD is, ultimately, about Carl. From the very beginning, it has been about Rick finding and protecting Carl and Carl's growth in the new world. Everything else that happens is ultimately about Carl (and to an extent on the show, even though she's barely present, Judith.)

If Carl dies, Rick's entire reason for existence and being a leader and all this stuff just goes away.

I know the show writers are stupid as hell sometimes, but I would hope they aren't that stupid.

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Rick has a daughter and a girlfriend now. I think that realistically, the actor playing Carl is going to want to do something else with his life at some point and the show runners are keeping options open. Certainly they will not be winding down the show because Carl is no longer on it.

I would imagine that Carl, if he dies, does so in a way that secures a better life for everyone else and Rick would feel it necessary to try and live up to his sacrifice, mostly because the show is so much about loss of civility and morality in this world, it would provide the balance this show seems to lose occasionally. You can't just have bummer after bummer and expect people to keep signing up for it.

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17 hours ago, cookinwithgas said:

Rick has a daughter and a girlfriend now. I think that realistically, the actor playing Carl is going to want to do something else with his life at some point and the show runners are keeping options open. Certainly they will not be winding down the show because Carl is no longer on it.

I would imagine that Carl, if he dies, does so in a way that secures a better life for everyone else and Rick would feel it necessary to try and live up to his sacrifice, mostly because the show is so much about loss of civility and morality in this world, it would provide the balance this show seems to lose occasionally. You can't just have bummer after bummer and expect people to keep signing up for it.

naaaaaah bud... Carl is the reason for TWD and they won't kill him off.

I really don't think Chandler Riggs will get too many roles of substance after this anyways. He's not that great of an actor first off, and second, he'll never be known as anything other than Carl.

I mean, they could kill Carl, but if they do and DON'T end the show, I probably will stop watching. Not that I watch because of Carl, but it'll be a clear sign that nobody knows wtf to do with this TV show. Judith is an afterthought, Rick doesn't even care about her, and tbqh I think Michonne's days are numbered (if the show gets that far) because of Andrea's role in the comics. The whole Rick and Michonne arc is just really forced seeming to me. They aren't a good match, really.

TWD can't hold GoT's jock when it comes to killing off (or not) main characters. When they do it, it usually goes horribly wrong because they don't stick to the script they've got. When they don't do it when they should, it just makes them look dumb and afraid. GoT has actually leaned more towards TWD lately with the "fake outs" and tbqh it makes it a worse show, just like it does on TWD.

The reality of the world in TWD is that life is precarious. Anyone should be fair game at any time. I agree. But, the two central characters to this story are Rick and Carl. Both have already shown that they have nine lives, and are pretty much going to be your main characters for the series. The plot armor is thick for them. Negan should, and I hope he does, eventually fit into this mold as well. But if you kill one of those three off, nobody really cares about the other two at this point, and the supporting cast doesn't have anyone that can step up and be the focus of the story.

 

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1 hour ago, Bronn said:

naaaaaah bud... Carl is the reason for TWD and they won't kill him off.

I really don't think Chandler Riggs will get too many roles of substance after this anyways. He's not that great of an actor first off, and second, he'll never be known as anything other than Carl.

I mean, they could kill Carl, but if they do and DON'T end the show, I probably will stop watching. Not that I watch because of Carl, but it'll be a clear sign that nobody knows wtf to do with this TV show. Judith is an afterthought, Rick doesn't even care about her, and tbqh I think Michonne's days are numbered (if the show gets that far) because of Andrea's role in the comics. The whole Rick and Michonne arc is just really forced seeming to me. They aren't a good match, really.

TWD can't hold GoT's jock when it comes to killing off (or not) main characters. When they do it, it usually goes horribly wrong because they don't stick to the script they've got. When they don't do it when they should, it just makes them look dumb and afraid. GoT has actually leaned more towards TWD lately with the "fake outs" and tbqh it makes it a worse show, just like it does on TWD.

The reality of the world in TWD is that life is precarious. Anyone should be fair game at any time. I agree. But, the two central characters to this story are Rick and Carl. Both have already shown that they have nine lives, and are pretty much going to be your main characters for the series. The plot armor is thick for them. Negan should, and I hope he does, eventually fit into this mold as well. But if you kill one of those three off, nobody really cares about the other two at this point, and the supporting cast doesn't have anyone that can step up and be the focus of the story.

 

I think the TV show is its own beast.  I mean we have seen time and time again.....the characters comic fans have praised have never been the same hit on the TV show.  Hell, the favorite character overall on TV doesn't even exist in the comic.   TV dynamic is different than the comic.  

I think you could take Carl out and it still work in TV land.  Not sure you can take Rick out of the TV world.    But all that would depend on being able to write a good story......and TWD TV show just can't tell a good story at this point even with good source material. 

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