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The Last Jedi *Spoilers*

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20 hours ago, cookinwithgas said:

A popular idea is that there will be a fairly significant time jump for the next movie.

Yup that's what I'm saying.    The end scene was showing force sensitive kids popping up.    I expect some new Jedi and young recruits next movie, it only makes sense.    The rebellion is not even close to fighting back.    They need those people that sent messages to to step up (Luke's legend will influence this) and they need new Jedi.  

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On 12/15/2017 at 10:53 AM, Johnny Rockets said:

Was going to see it today and then I read IMBD user reviews and its getting killed by a lot of people. Is it really this bad?

I am not a huge Star Wars fanboy. Have seen all the movies (although I couldnt name them)  but don't get all into the characters, story lines, etc like many people do. Am I even going to know what the Hell is going on or enjoy the film? 

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/reviews?ref_=m_tt_urv

If you want good reviews ignore IMDB.  RT or Metacritic is better.

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the feminist movement was strong with this one.  Every male character took a back seat in this movie or was made to look like an idiot.

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I liked it a lot. They killed Snoke off to fast, but other than that, it was great.  And there is no guarantee snoke is dead.  Darth Maul got cut in half, and still came back I think.

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I hope Snoke stays dead, the point of the movie in that regard was to get Kylo Ren to be in charge of the First Order by intimidating Hux. He's not a wild kid now, he's a scary and pissed off adult. But like before, the more you tighten your grip the more star systems will slip through your fingers as they say.

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This movie is meant to be viewed with Yoda's quote about failure being the best teacher as the overarching theme. Everyone in this movie fails. Rey fails at turning Kylo. Kylo fails at turning Rey. Snoke fails at everything. Luke fails Kylo. Poe's heroic plans don't work twice. Finn and Rose fail at getting the decryption. etc. 

Also I think I'm one of like 3 people that actually enjoyed Rose, and enjoyed her and Finn's story. It wasn't perfect but I was really surprised at the backlash of that. 

I almost feel like there is an anti-phantom menace backlash occurring. When people walked out of the phantom menace a lot of people were saying that was great, and it wasn't until later that the hive mind of hate started. I'm not defending phantom menace but it almost seems like people are more interested in being on the "right" side of history. Hating a film now gives you the ability to years later sneer and say "told ya so!" 

Which brings me to my next point of fans having to be "right" and how fan theories are really destroying these movies. A ton of the disappointment I've read online stems from one single problem: the movie didn't go how you expected it to. Rey didn't have mysterious parents, Snoke didn't have a mysterious backstory, Finn and Poe weren't flashy heroes, ........which is really the point of the film. But so many people missed that. 

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ESB was made with the idea in mind that this would be our heroes low point. They got a miraculous victory in the New Hope, but then the empire absolutely crushes them in the next. 

Reading stuff online (wasn't alive then) it seems like ESB was initially received poorly, but after ROJ tied the plot together people were able to appreciate the risks ESB took. 

 

I have a funny feeling TLJ will end up being looked fondly upon after this saga is complete. I could definitely be wrong. 

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ESB was not received poorly LOL but yeah people were not happy they had to wait three years for the end. They were pissed off about things like Ewoks. Empire was better in most regards other than novelty than the original. To have the big battle set piece at the start of the movie was a risky choice but it made it great.

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I wish we learned about snoke more. We pretty much know nothing about him except he’s really old, from past the outer rim and turned kylo. We don’t know how he got control of the empire, how he met kylo,  anything really. That was frustrating. I’m not so mad that he died because kylo is the main villain of the series but I just wish we got to know alittle more.

 

not mad at Luke’s “death” because it’s not really a death. 

 

Im mad the short lightsaber battles where underwhelming. 

 

I would say it was about the same at TFA, maybe slightly better, but definitely not behind ESB

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Saw it today finally. I read the spoilers, read the reviews, and read forum threads going in.

I loved it. Second favorite behind ESB.

All you "nostalgia guys" need to watch it again ... but as a movie. Not as the Space Opera you saw as a kid and formed a bond with. As a film, though a tad long, it's quite wonderful.

The middle part everyone hates actually wasn't bad at all. True, they didn't break the code, but the actual story of that act worked very well. Finn and Rose made friends and had a great adventure, Del Toro played a great character, we got to see a fun world we'd never seen before with stuff we'd never seen before, and the whole thing was different than anything in any previous film. It simply worked.

Luke stole the damn show with Ren not far behind. Kylo is supposed to be an emotional mess, guys. Driver can act his ass off. Kylo Ren is a great character. GREAT. The sequences with him and Rey were special. He is going to be a great villain going forward. And even Hux was great this time around.

The space battles were on point, the CGI was super good, and though he died too quickly ... Snoke came off as a big time wielder of power. Dude had skills.

Only complaints: Dern was way too stiff and ... kids ... ugh. They just can't act. Luckily we saw very little of them.
 

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19 minutes ago, Still Brooklyn said:

Saw it today finally. I read the spoilers, read the reviews, and read forum threads going in.

I loved it. Second favorite behind ESB.

All you "nostalgia guys" need to watch it again ... but as a movie. Not as the Space Opera you saw as a kid and formed a bond with. As a film, though a tad long, it's quite wonderful.

The middle part everyone hates actually wasn't bad at all. True, they didn't break the code, but the actual story of that act worked very well. Finn and Rose made friends and had a great adventure, Del Toro played a great character, we got to see a fun world we'd never seen before with stuff we'd never seen before, and the whole thing was different than anything in any previous film. It simply worked.

Luke stole the damn show with Ren not far behind. Kylo is supposed to be an emotional mess, guys. Driver can act his ass off. Kylo Ren is a great character. GREAT. The sequences with him and Rey were special. He is going to be a great villain going forward. And even Hux was great this time around.

The space battles were on point, the CGI was super good, and though he died too quickly ... Snoke came off as a big time wielder of power. Dude had skills.

Only complaints: Dern was way too stiff and ... kids ... ugh. They just can't act. Luckily we saw very little of them.
 

I agree about Casino planet.  I was totally cool with it and liked Del Toro.  The more reviews I read or see of it, I understand the dislike, but that wasn't my first impression and I think a lot of people are letting reviews influence the fun of that side trip.

I actually wanted it more drawn out, much like Maz's palace.  I thought both were too quick and there could be some minimal world building involved with new sub-minor characters.   Plus, it didn't quite work out which was cool because that RARELY happens in SW.  

I thought this movie was fantastic.  

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I think a lot of the divide is tied to the reveal of Rey's parents.  Personally, I like the idea that people that are powerful with the force can come from anywhere.  That opens up a whole universe of possibilities rather than having to adopt some canon that the force is tied to lineage.  Those that wanted Rey's lineage to tie in with a greater arc wanted to perpetuate the model mythos of generational struggle.  A lot of people had tremendous emotional investment in this very concept that it outright demanded the backlash.  It may be a construct of the times, but I don't recall botnets being used to sway public opinion on what amounts to a pop-culture movie industry.  This pathological need to be simultaneously trail-blazers of opinion while being populous continues to grow without much challenge from the general public.

Either way, for me the movie has lots of great ideas, but the cohesion was not done very well.  Perhaps a director's edit will sit better.

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I need to see it again. For sure. 10 minutes in and I was disappointed. The comedy between Hux and Poe about being on hold was awful to me. Forced and seemingly out of place. Like it was a joke for me and not in place with the setting. I absolutely hated almost everything about Hux. At the end is about the only time he doesn't overact and seem cartooinsihly like a buffoon. Just terrible. I also think Poe was trying too hard. How does he know Maz again?

The physics bothered me several times. I know it's Star Wars but arcing laser blasts and burning ships in space kept bringing me out of connectedness and thinking about it. Like it was slapping me in the face. Similar to watching TWD fire weapons that aren't firing. I also thought Rey was kind of stiff. But like I said, I need to see it again. I wasn't tied to any preconceived theory about who was who or anything like that. So my disappointment doesn't come from my favorite theory not being true. I was interested in all that but I'm not married to any theory one way or the other. I mean we didn't know jack about the Emperor but we just accepted that he was the man in charge for 20 years with no back story. Also Rey being a nobody (while still in doubt because Kylo could easily be lying) is solid. Removes the requirement that everything is tied to a Skywalker and makes the original Luke could be all of us relevant again. Rey could be any of us.

I especially like the idea that nature created Rey as a reaction to Kylo's growing power. That nature responded by balancing it out. I also really liked the perspective that Luke had. The disaffected and hiding from his own failures. I hated that Yoda looked like a $35 puppet. That really seemed like poor execution. Also, Yoda can lightning strike as a ghost? That means Luke should be able to manipulate the world as he haunts Kylo Ren in the next one. There will be haunting. For sure. I like Adam Driver and think he might be doing the best job in the whole series so far. Although I don't like that I'm missing so much of the story because I haven't read books. Apparently Laura Dern's character is a big deal and has a ton of back story with Leia in the book about Leia.

I need to see it again.

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I think some people expect too much out of a Star Wars movies, they were never and probably never will be AMAZING movies with fantastic acting and story.  

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