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Giants control the draft?

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50 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

That's backwards...the Qb's are interchangeable...

Who was,? Cam and Jake Locker in the 2011 draft? Both first rounders?

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Just now, panthers55 said:

Who was,? Cam and Jake Locker in the 2011 draft? Both first rounders?

Rosen and Darnold...

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52 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

That's backwards...the Qb's are interchangeable...

It's funny how every year there are guys talked about as being "similar grades" and this and that. Fast forward five years and now how similar do they look? If you're sitting at #1 you probably need a franchise QB. If you think there's one there, you take him and don't try to get cute with it.

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3 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Rosen and Darnold...

Cam Newton wasn't considered a generational quarterback either. Mayock had Gabbert over Cam in his evaluation. A year later Luck was considered a generational quarterback and how did that work out. Quarterbacks are not interchangeable nor are they equal even when graded similarly.

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5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Betting on the Browns screwing up is generally a safe play.

Dorsey's no fool, though.

I think Dorsey will add some intelligence & sanity to the Browns--I expect a solid draft from them.

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With their draft capital and cap space, I think the Browns would be best served by taking a pair of players like Saquon Barkely and Minkah Fitzpatrick at #1 and #4 and signing a veteran QB.

I'm scared of the QBs in this draft. Rosen has the whole Cutler "don't give a fug" thing going on. Darnold has a lot of intriguing things about him but the guy fumbles if a defender is even in the same zip code. Mayfield has the question of whether or not his playing style with translate to the NFL. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson can't hit the broadside of a barn with a football. They obviously liked McCarron enough to trade a high second round pick for him. Sign him and then take the best two prospects on the board at #1 and #4.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

With their draft capital and cap space, I think the Browns would be best served by taking a pair of players like Saquon Barkely and Minkah Fitzpatrick at #1 and #4 and signing a veteran QB.

I'm scared of the QBs in this draft. Rosen has the whole Cutler "don't give a fug" thing going on. Darnold has a lot of intriguing things about him but the guy fumbles if a defender is even in the same zip code. Mayfield has the question of whether or not his playing style with translate to the NFL. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson can't hit the broadside of a barn with a football. They obviously liked McCarron enough to trade a high second round pick for him. Sign him and then take the best two prospects on the board at #1 and #4.

Interesting--some in Cleveland are pushing for Barkely as # 1.

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I think he's probably the safest pick and would probably do the most to help out a QB and RBs are obviously one of if not the most likely pick to have a major instant impact.

There's enough QB talent in this draft that surely one or two (possibly even more) will work out, but which ones will they be? I mean, I guess that question mark is always there, but it seems especially prevalent this year IMO.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's funny how every year there are guys talked about as being "similar grades" and this and that. Fast forward five years and now how similar do they look? If you're sitting at #1 you probably need a franchise QB. If you think there's one there, you take him and don't try to get cute with it.

Not in this situation

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1 hour ago, Snake said:

And the fact there coach has won what 5 games in two years? 

That's about five times as many games as he's actually won.

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54 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think he's probably the safest pick and would probably do the most to help out a QB and RBs are obviously one of if not the most likely pick to have a major instant impact.

There's enough QB talent in this draft that surely one or two (possibly even more) will work out, but which ones will they be? I mean, I guess that question mark is always there, but it seems especially prevalent this year IMO.

Knowing how things work out in Cleveland though, I kinda see where Grossi has a point.

Grossi has been covering the Browns for a couple of decades now, I think.  Obviously, he's seen a lot.

(kinda wonder at what point some level of PTSD sets in)

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Cam Newton wasn't considered a generational quarterback either. Mayock had Gabbert over Cam in his evaluation. A year later Luck was considered a generational quarterback and how did that work out. Quarterbacks are not interchangeable nor are they equal even when graded similarly.

The Newton pick was the pick...no debate...your point about Luck only strengthens my argument...the difference is the two picks...if only one pick then sure go QB...

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34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's about five times as many games as he's actually won.

Ouch

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1 hour ago, heel31ok said:

The Newton pick was the pick...no debate...your point about Luck only strengthens my argument...the difference is the two picks...if only one pick then sure go QB...

Newton was our pick but some pundits thought it was a mistake. And again you miss the point. Luck was considered a generational pick and he has done less than a Russell Wilson who was a second rounder the year before. So again you can't just pick the first second or third guy and expect to get equivalent value. And some folks would have passed on Newton for character issues even though we knew they were overblown.

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Newton was our pick but some pundits thought it was a mistake. And again you miss the point. Luck was considered a generational pick and he has done less than a Russell Wilson who was a second rounder the year before. So again you can't just pick the first second or third guy and expect to get equivalent value. And some folks would have passed on Newton for character issues even though we knew they were overblown.

we had one pick which is a whole different animal from what the Browns are facing...given the same scenario with a chance to get AJ Green and Von Miller in same draft you would have to change your considerations...but this is easier because Rosen and Darnold are not like choosing Cam Newton...again your point about Luck strengthens my point...the Newton pick was a no brainer...

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