Conservatism is a net drain on our society and must stop

[Bronn 5,498]

Because of conservatism:

Public education is an afterthought. The dumbing down of the populace makes it more easily controlled.

Free thinking is discouraged. Read this version of a moral holy book, pick the parts out of it that we agree with at the time, and use it as a tool to oppress others. Also, only get your news and view/talking points from right wing media outlets/sources.

Capitalism will never die. The established social hierarchy cannot be upended.

Hate big government and question authority, but support the troops and police.

Don't you all see? Think of the ways society could improve without these warped views.

[Saha 218]

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

[rodeo 20,021]

the last 3 democrats have reduced the deficit. the last 3 republicans have increased the deficit. pretty simple honestly.

[Perry Rich 123]

25 minutes ago, rodeo said:

the last 3 democrats have reduced the deficit. the last 3 republicans have increased the deficit. pretty simple honestly.

the federal deficit rose 121% under Obama which means he added to the deficit more than all other presidents combined

[Fryfan 2,170]

Imagine the deficit jumping DURING a recession.

 

What is republicans excuse?

 

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• Fiscal 2007: $161 billion (next to last year of Bush’s second term)
• Fiscal 2008: $459 billion (beginning impact from the Great Recession)
• Fiscal 2009: $1.4 trillion (Obama’s first year and in the teeth of the Recession, Budget year started Oct 2008)
• Fiscal 2010: $1.3 trillion
• Fiscal 2011: $1.3 trillion
• Fiscal 2012: $1.1 trillion
• Fiscal 2013: $680 billion
• Fiscal 2014: $485 billion
• Fiscal 2015: $438 billion
• Fiscal 2016: $587 billion
• Fiscal 2017: $666 billion (Trump’s first year of his Presidency)

[Fryfan 2,170]

Reagan

• Started Presidency: $965 billion
• Ended Presidency: $2.74 trillion
• Increased 184% or 13.9% per year

H.W. Bush

• Started Presidency: $2.74 trillion
• Ended Presidency: $4.23 trillion
• Increased 54% or 11.5% per year (only in office for four years)

Clinton

• Started Presidency: $4.23 trillion
• Ended Presidency: $5.77 trillion
• Increased 36% or 4.0% per year

W. Bush

• Started Presidency: $5.77 trillion
• Ended Presidency: $11.1 trillion
• Increased 93% or 8.5% per year

Obama

• Started Presidency: $11.1 trillion
• Ended Presidency: $19.85 trillion
• Increased 78% or 7.5% per year

[cookinwithgas 9,888]

It's also a fact that blue states pay more taxes and red states use more tax money. Liberals are actually paying for the conservative states overall.

[Fryfan 2,170]

The republican controlled congress under Trump has added onto baseline projections.  

 

[Perry Rich 123]

9 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

The republican controlled congress under Trump has added onto baseline projections.  

 

there's no doubt that the deficit has rose during trumps presidency , I was just showing rodeo he was mistaken when he claimed the last 3 democratic presidents lowered the deficit 

[Fryfan 2,170]

6 minutes ago, Perry Rich said:

there's no doubt that the deficit has rose during trumps presidency , I was just showing rodeo he was mistaken when he claimed the last 3 democratic presidents lowered the deficit 

Deficit spending was over 1 trillion when Obama was sworn in.  When he left it was cut in half.  (The CBO had estimated the deficit for the 2009 budget (which started Oct 1st 2008) would be 1.2 trillion BEFORE Obama was sworn in. 

 

 

[Perry Rich 123]

2 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

Deficit spending was over 1 trillion when Obama was sworn in.  When he left it was cut in half.

 

from 2009 to 2016 the total federal deficit rose 121 % 

 

[Fryfan 2,170]

Just now, Perry Rich said:

from 2009 to 2016 the total federal deficit rose 121 % 

 

https://money.cnn.com/2009/01/07/news/economy/cbo_2009_budget_outlook/

 

$1.2 trillion deficit looms

Housing collapse and financial turmoil leads to steep rise in estimated U.S. shortfall for '09, Congressional Budget Office says.

By Jeanne Sahadi, CNNMoney.com senior writer

Last Updated: January 7, 2009: 5:00 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The U.S. budget deficit in 2009 is projected to spike to a record $1.2 trillion, or 8.3% of gross domestic product, the Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

The dramatic jump to the highest-ever deficit in dollar terms compares to a $455 billion deficit in fiscal year 2008 and $161 billion in 2007. The estimate does not account for the massive spending and tax cuts proposed in President-elect Barack Obama's economic rescue plan.

 

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So you want to continue on this dumb path?  Put a budget year that started in Oct 2008 and was estimated to be at 1.2 trillion in deficit 2 weeks PRIOR to Obama being sworn in presidency?

 

 

[Perry Rich 123]

but the one thing people forget, the president isn't the only person who determines the deficit,,,, congress plays a big part of it, not a dime gets spent without congresses ok

[cookinwithgas 9,888]

Wow you’re awful at this

[Fryfan 2,170]

So trump and congress is responsible for the current jumps above baseline?