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Jeremy Igo

Quarterback Possibilities for the Carolina Panthers

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57 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I mean, thats true, but you also just described Drew Brees criticisms when drafted.

 

Who knows, kid could be bad or could be great. In the 3rd or 4th I would not mind finding out.

This.  No one can say with certainty whether any college qb, or any draft pick for that matter will succeed in the NFL.  The teams just have to take a chance.

 

I am not saying we should or should not draft a qb, but the currently analysis of a weak qb class shouldn't stop us from picking one. 

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hell no on Bridgewater. That final game was his audition and he looked worse than Allen. And Tyrod Taylor is terrible.

I would add to those saying that you shouldn't draft a quarterback in a weak quarterback class, you might want to take a look back at the quarterback class the year Newton was drafted.

This class looks more like 2013 than 2011. Shore up the lines, sign the Brock Osweilers of the world and if you need to draft a QB, get one in 2020.

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I remember an article a while back where an analyst talked about how harm strength was probably the single most useless characteristic for evaluating a quarterback.

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53 minutes ago, PanthersGOATFan336 said:

You do realize there are things called corrective surgery, rest, and healing right?

Last year Cam missed training camp and 99% of preseason because he had surgery. If he's getting surgered, do it now, not April.

On other points, Bridgewater played like lemon scented ass against our backups. I'd talk to Indy about Jacoby Brissett. Or bite the bullet and offer Foles a job.

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1 hour ago, ncfan said:

True

But Grier has a pretty weak arm and about the same size as pickles.  Also not as mobile as a Trubisky.

Haskins who is considered the best in this class, the eye tape alone can tell you he isnt near the QB in most classes.

Agree on Grier completely.  Haskins was very accurate and led the nation in passing.  Good leadership qualities as well.  If he declares his combine and workouts will be interesting.  Could be something there IMO.  Tough call atp.

Watched some highlights and the ball comes out quick with him and on the money.  Looks like Rivers with more velocity.  Now, his supporting cast was really good and I see a nice clean pocket on most throws...no pressure.  He does slide and move pretty well.  Probably the best QB in this draft with Jones right there too.

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10 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

Last year Cam missed training camp and 99% of preseason because he had surgery. If he's getting surgered, do it now, not April.

On other points, Bridgewater played like lemon scented ass against our backups. I'd talk to Indy about Jacoby Brissett. Or bite the bullet and offer Foles a job.

I think Foles could have been a possibility a while ago but after the last few weeks his price has skyrocketed (again).

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2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

First off, to all the overly emotional knee jerk Cam Newton fans, I hope Cam can play at 100% all season long. That is by far the best outcome available.

 

However , taking his shoulder injury into consideration, we have to be prepared for the fact that his shoulder may not last the 2019 season. It didn't this year, there is no real reason to assume it will next year. It seems to have gotten worse since his surgery two years ago, and that ain't great news.

 

So, what to do? The Carolina Panthers have always been terrified of a QB controversy with Cam Newton. I cannot forsee them spending a high draft pick or a ton of money for a backup. They just won't want that kind of news surrounding their franchise QB, injured as he may be. They don't really want competition there, just an adequate backup should the need arise.

 

Thus, I see three possibilities.

1. Roll with Kyle Allen

I must admit Allen looked really good against the Saints. Believe it or not, the Saints defense was actually playing and trying to stop him. Well, at least the players were. The overall scheme was very vanilla and didn't throw Allen many different looks. So we really have no idea how he will actually perform once a team has his film and game plans for his weaknesses. It is a pretty big gamble.

2. Bring in a Free Agent

Yes, I would love to see Kaep here but it ain't happening, so I won't discuss it. Pointless.

Tyrod Taylor? Teddy Bridgewater?  I could see either happening here for the right price. Either could do fairly well in Norv's system that made an undrafted rookie look decent.

3. Draft a mid round prospect

This is the route I would like to see the Panthers go. The Panthers are the only team in the league that hasn't drafted at QB since the 2012 season. That is just crazy.

A guy like WVU's Will Grier is projected anywhere from rounds 2-4. If he is there in 3 or 4 for the Panthers I would like to see him taken. Local kid with plenty of up side. Good value there for a mid round pick.

 

 

i like allen...but i say Tyrod taylor would be a good pick up for us

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29 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hell no on Bridgewater. That final game was his audition and he looked worse than Allen. And Tyrod Taylor is terrible.

I'd rather us trot out Kyle Allen, whose contract is far cheaper, than Bridgewater, who Allen just outplayed by miles. Tyrod Taylor assisted in the Browns not winning a game until they took him out. With our offensive line, which is worse than theirs, what makes anyone think he'd be worth a damn here? 

I'm fine with taking a flier on a rookie in the mid-to-later rounds. Wasting valuable space on a retread free agent won't solve the biggest problem, which is that our OL is so bad it gets every quarterback hurt. invest in the OL first in draft and FA -- then prioritize QB. All QBs look better when given adequate pass protection. 

 

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2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

First off, to all the overly emotional knee jerk Cam Newton fans, I hope Cam can play at 100% all season long. That is by far the best outcome available.

 

However , taking his shoulder injury into consideration, we have to be prepared for the fact that his shoulder may not last the 2019 season. It didn't this year, there is no real reason to assume it will next year. It seems to have gotten worse since his surgery two years ago, and that ain't great news.

 

So, what to do? The Carolina Panthers have always been terrified of a QB controversy with Cam Newton. I cannot forsee them spending a high draft pick or a ton of money for a backup. They just won't want that kind of news surrounding their franchise QB, injured as he may be. They don't really want competition there, just an adequate backup should the need arise.

 

Thus, I see three possibilities.

1. Roll with Kyle Allen

I must admit Allen looked really good against the Saints. Believe it or not, the Saints defense was actually playing and trying to stop him. Well, at least the players were. The overall scheme was very vanilla and didn't throw Allen many different looks. So we really have no idea how he will actually perform once a team has his film and game plans for his weaknesses. It is a pretty big gamble.

2. Bring in a Free Agent

Yes, I would love to see Kaep here but it ain't happening, so I won't discuss it. Pointless.

Tyrod Taylor? Teddy Bridgewater?  I could see either happening here for the right price. Either could do fairly well in Norv's system that made an undrafted rookie look decent.

3. Draft a mid round prospect

This is the route I would like to see the Panthers go. The Panthers are the only team in the league that hasn't drafted at QB since the 2012 season. That is just crazy.

A guy like WVU's Will Grier is projected anywhere from rounds 2-4. If he is there in 3 or 4 for the Panthers I would like to see him taken. Local kid with plenty of up side. Good value there for a mid round pick.

 

 

I feel like each year we get blindsided, in the mid rounds, with guys that have us all scrambling to look up who the hell we just drafted.

Grier is on a lot of our radars, for better or worse, and I would welcome the addition. 

I think it is more likely, though, that we end up with someone that we have never heard of.  We have not drafted a QB for many years... longer than any other team IIRC.

I'll bet we break that trend with back-to-back 19/20 selections.  I won't bet much... but if the worst case ends up being the case, we will have a long year in 2019 and a exciting draft in 2020.

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47 minutes ago, Nate Dogg said:

I would rather take a chance on Haskins than Grier.

Haskins is terrible...and like most Buckeye QB's never measure up in the nfl...not even close.

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If we have to really spend to get a QB, I'd rather it be Tua or Justin Herbert in 2020. Senseless to pick a QB because of the need, regardless of the talent pool. That's how the 2010 Jacksonville Jaguars (garbage water) became the 2011 Jacksonville Jaguars (garbage water starring Blaine Gabbert). 

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If Marty Hurney is drafting, I don't want to waste a pick on one of his QB choices. No Stefan Lefors, Jimmy Clausens, Armanti Edwards, etc., etc.. 

However now that Norv is probably getting more draft pick input, maybe all is not lost. 

 

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If we draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd, I think it should be considered a mistake by all.

The quality of this draft matches our deficiency.  Trade up to get 'your guy', here and there, but do so in a manner that benefits this team in the longer sense than a 'knee jerk' QB selection would mean.  Get as many top 100 defenders and OLine men as possible.

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