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27 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I wasn't implying he didn't do anything all year, I was implying Ron's philosophies suck and that he expects the players to do his job for him. His in game philosophies have been a huge let down. Time management, adjustments in any area and letting opponents back into games they have no business playing catch-up in are easy examples. The way Ron thinks it's always the players' failure in a loss and not his is evidence that this is his thought process on the players role in ownership of the job of coaching. How many times have you heard Ron state it was his fault for not finding a way to win a game? Once I can think of that even came close to an admission of failure.

I went to search for the 2015 press conference and interview transcripts. I am shocked that there is so little out there and what is there is spotty. The Panther's own site doesn't even have a search function which is a huge let down. All I could scrape together was Ron talking about how he learned his philosophy from this article: https://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/ron-rivera-carolina-panthers/ 

'He studied. He talked to people. He read leadership books. Most of all, he watched how the great coaches worked. He was in awe of how Bears coach Mike Ditka galvanized his teams. “I remember one time he was so mad at us for the way we started practice,” Rivera says, “he just said, ‘That’s it. We’re done. Let’s go. Practice is over.’ And he just walked off.

“Well, what happened? We stayed, and we practiced. Mike Singletary grabbed one of the scripts, and we practiced right off the scripts. That was what made Mike so good. He made us take ownership of the team.” '

The interview or press conference I was referring to went more into depth how his experience with Ditka influenced him to believe that the players should lead and teach the younger guys and that the coaches should step in to adjust what they hear and see. 2015 Cam was reading the defenses and adjusting at the line of scrimmage which made Shula a genius, that was taken away in 2016 and it showed. The two games we lost, the adjustments didn't come. For huge chunks of any game Ron stands on the sideline letting everyone else do their jobs as he looks mad/lost. The game plan that is determined before the game remains in effect even after halftime, which is proof in blown leads. The Seahawks game in the playoff was an example of that. Sorry if that's not as clear as I hoped to put through but it's a brutal week at work.

Nebulous explanation at best. But good effort, I'll say that. Sympathies about the week at work. Stay strong! You seemed to have made an emotional statement totally off the cuff. Forgivable by any standard. 

Let me remind everyone:           RON RIVERA WAS THE 2015 COACH OF THE YEAR.

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29 minutes ago, twylyght said:

you can tell who wasn't around during the Seifert era

:poison:  You speak the truth. Lead to the end of the Panthers website forum.

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3 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Nebulous explanation at best. But good effort, I'll say that. Sympathies about the week at work. Stay strong! You seemed to have made an emotional statement totally off the cuff. Forgivable by any standard. 

Let me remind everyone:           RON RIVERA WAS THE 2015 COACH OF THE YEAR.

Jason Gartett, Dallas Cowboys, 2016 NFL Coach of the Year

Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals, 2009 NFL Coach of the Year

Mike Smith, Atlanta Falcons, 2008 NFL Coach of the Year

Lovie Smith, Chicago Bears, 2005 NFL Coach of the Year

Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears, 2001 NFL Coach of the Year

Dom Capers, Carolina Panthers, 1996 NFL Coach of the Year

Ray Rhodes, Philadelphia Eagles, 1995 NFL Coach of the Year

Wayne Fontes, Detroit Lion, 1991 NFL Coach of the Year

Lindy Infante, Green Bay Packers, 1989 NFL Coach of the Year

etc.

etc.

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14 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Jason Gartett, Dallas Cowboys, 2016 NFL Coach of the Year

Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals, 2009 NFL Coach of the Year

Mike Smith, Atlanta Falcons, 2008 NFL Coach of the Year

Lovie Smith, Chicago Bears, 2005 NFL Coach of the Year

Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears, 2001 NFL Coach of the Year

Dom Capers, Carolina Panthers, 1996 NFL Coach of the Year

Ray Rhodes, Philadelphia Eagles, 1995 NFL Coach of the Year

Wayne Fontes, Detroit Lion, 1991 NFL Coach of the Year

Lindy Infante, Green Bay Packers, 1989 NFL Coach of the Year

etc.

etc.

And?

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Each and every one an average head coach at best all the way down to a disastrous head coach.

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5 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Each and every one an average head coach at best all the way down to a disastrous head coach.

So what? Apparently not the year they were named Coach of the Year. Waldo and I were talking about 2015. If you're going to jump in the middle of a conversation, pay attention to what is being talked about from the beginning. Sheez.

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1 hour ago, GRWatcher said:

Nebulous explanation at best. But good effort, I'll say that. Sympathies about the week at work. Stay strong! You seemed to have made an emotional statement totally off the cuff. Forgivable by any standard. 

Let me remind everyone:           RON RIVERA WAS THE 2015 COACH OF THE YEAR.

AND WHAT IS YOUR POINT? 

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34 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

AND WHAT IS YOUR POINT? 

The conversation was referencing a statement made that the players coached themselves in 2015. That was the point.

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1 hour ago, GRWatcher said:

Nebulous explanation at best. But good effort, I'll say that. Sympathies about the week at work. Stay strong! You seemed to have made an emotional statement totally off the cuff. Forgivable by any standard. 

Let me remind everyone:           RON RIVERA WAS THE 2015 COACH OF THE YEAR.

I know people want it to, but the reality is that Coach of the Year doesn't really mean much.

For about four years, Rivera and Bruce Arians were trading off Coach of the Year titles. Neither of them ended up with a championship and Arians got fired.

Heck, if you look up who's won coach of the year since 2000, the vast majority of them have never won a Super Bowl. The only exceptions are Bill Belichick and Sean Payton. And when you've got names in there like Marvin Lewis, Jim Haslett and Lovie Smith, I mean really...

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I know people want it to, but the reality is that Coach of the Year doesn't really mean much.

For about four years, Rivera and Bruce Arians were trading off Coach of the Year titles. Neither of them ended up with a championship and Arians got fired.

Heck, if you look up who's won coach of the year since 2000, the vast majority of them have never won a Superbowl. The only exceptions are Bill Belichick and Sean Payton. And when you've got names in there like Marvin Lewis, Jim Haslett and Lovie Smith, I mean really...

Will you people please pay attention. This is the last I'm going to say about it. Read the entire conversation and you will get my point. I'm not talking about any other year than 2015 nor am I comparing Rivera to any other coach. Stop with the bullshit comments. 

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48 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Will you people please pay attention. This is the last I'm going to say about it. Read the entire conversation and you will get my point. I'm not talking about any other year than 2015 nor am I comparing Rivera to any other coach. Stop with the bullshit comments. 

I saw the conversation.

Rivera winning the coach of the year award doesn't invalidate his point about Rivera's coaching philosophy. Nor does it strengthen the suggestion that Rivera is a good coach.

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15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I saw the conversation.

Rivera winning the coach of the year award doesn't invalidate his point about Rivera's coaching philosophy. Nor does it strengthen the suggestion that Rivera is a good coach.

And his point is invalid because it was that the PLAYERS coached themselves. It also doesn't weaken the suggestion that he is a good coach willing to evolve. So what's your point?

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