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Don’t count on ever seeing Old Cam again

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Let's find a QB that can block and throw the deep pass.  We'll line up 2 QBs behind scrimmage and let Cam pass it off to the other QB if someone is open long.

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I m about to be a doctor in May and ill tell you whoever said that is full of poo. Without you directly visualizing the injury or extent of the damage there is no way to accurately predict a prognosis. Further, everyone is different and every injury is different.

 

The truth about cam is we really have no idea how his shoulder will hold up

 

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20 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

I mean anyone who ever suggests his best days may be behind him on this site gets flamed but the reality is MVP Cam is a thing of the past sadly.

Assuming his shoulder returns to 100% (which seems more and more unlikely) you still have to look at what made him a near unstoppable force.

29 isn’t old at all for a QB but it is for a RB. Cam has taken a beating setting rushing TD records as a QB and he showed last season he was hesitant to take off running at times. Combine that with the fact he has a lethal rocket for an arm which looks like it may no longer be the case and his biggest strengths may be somewhat nullified 

He took a lot more of a beating in the pocket 

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7 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

What? If Cam could throw the ball 60 yards in the air we wouldve been 14-2 last season with the emergance of Samuel and Moore. Cam wouldve been in the MVP conversation as well. But that didn't happen because his shoulder is fuged, hopefully not beyond repair.

Of course we want Cam to be able to throw it deep but now it forces Cam to throw more timing routes and hit the short pass rather than holding it trying for the low percentage big play downfield. Now he has to throw more to spots than before when he would wait to see a receiver come open and try to fire it to him before the defender closes. Which accounted for most of his ints last year. Having less velocity on the ball means you have to be smarter and can't just rely on arm strength anymore. 

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21 hours ago, PhillyB said:

plenty of quarterbacks have won rings without the ability to thread the ball forty yards up the seam on a frozen rope. cam was in the MVP discussions the first half of last season despite playing what felt to us like a water-down offensive system and it doesn't seem far-fetched to believe he'll end up right back there next year.

defense needs to improve a lot to win a Superbowl with Cam unable to throw the deep ball

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6 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Of course we want Cam to be able to throw it deep but now it forces Cam to throw more timing routes and hit the short pass rather than holding it trying for the low percentage big play downfield. Now he has to throw more to spots than before when he would wait to see a receiver come open and try to fire it to him before the defender closes. Which accounted for most of his ints last year. Having less velocity on the ball means you have to be smarter and can't just rely on arm strength anymore. 

So what good are the timing routes if Norv's system is reliant on vertical passing to open up those lanes? If there is no threat to go deep, defenses will stack the line of scrimmage, pressure receivers, and send pressure all day. It isn't difficult to defeat. We would be better off with someone who is slightly less gifted but has the ability to get the ball down the field. 

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10 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

He took a lot more of a beating in the pocket 

I agree he takes a beating in the pocket, then when you add in the hundreds of additional hits he has taken as runner- over a 1000 carries in 8 years minus 81 kneeldowns so 900+ carries, including playoffs- that other QBs don't get, it adds up.

When you factor that,particularly early in his career, he wasn't running out of bounds or avoiding hits, his body has taken a pounding. I think it's amazing he's stayed as healthy as he has. There's never been a QB who has run as much as he has for as long as he has.

Be interesting to see how he adapts to being 30 years old with  900+ carries. Think every other mobile QB either became a pocket passer or was retired by around 30.

Has Cam ever said he wants to play until "X" number of years? Matt Ryan has stated he wants to play until he's 40, don't remember Cam saying something like that?

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11 hours ago, SOJA said:

 

 

The truth about cam is we really have no idea how his shoulder will hold up

 

Except we do.  His shoulder has been an ongoing problem for years now.

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I am sorry but I have to throw the BS flag at this post. No where in the post surgery did they say anything was wrong with his cartilage or his rotator cuff.  They cleaned up the shoulder and he has already started rehab.

Some idiot doctor that had nothing to do with his surgery makes a statement and everyone jumps on board.

NOT BUYING IT.

 

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On 2/11/2019 at 12:13 PM, mc52beast said:

Was listening  to a radio show, have to admit I don’t know who it was. They were talking about Cams injury and said they had spoke to a doctor who said that part of Cams problem is his cartilage is starting to break down and once that starts it never stops. 

Guy said it’s going to be impossible for Cam to return to his former playing level where he could sling it, said Norv’s short passing game will help Cam in the long run.

Take it FWIW

Since one doctor has spoken and said that Cam's "problem is his cartilage is starting to break down and once that starts it never stops," I'll just let everyone know from the minute you finish growing and reach adulthood your cartilage starts breaking down and never stops. 

The rate at which this occurs depends on a number of things:  what kind of sports you played, were you active at all during your life, did you have any injuries to your joints growing up or after reaching adulthood etc. etc. etc.   This is a weak ass answer by a "doctor" who is purely speculating on Cam's injuries.  The only doctor I would remotely be interested in hearing from is the one that performed Cam's surgeries....I don't want to hear anything from Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, or Dr. Pepper.

What we know definitively is that Cam did have some torn cartilage that was "cleaned up."  This entails the doctor going in and excising the torn cartilage so it doesn't cause impingement within the shoulder, specifically the AC joint where this can lead to a great deal of acute pain.  Impingement caused by a cartilage tear also explains why we saw Cam throw some real "ducks" at times and at other times throw way high and out of reach of his target because you never know when impingement is going to happen until it does.  It really makes sense that he didn't have faith in himself to throw the long ball, I bet he could (even with the possibility of pain) but didn't want to chance it when he knew a 30 yard post could turn into a 20 yard pass that would be intercepted.

Again, it doesn't sound terribly bad from Cam's video.  I am sure all the particulars weren't shared, but there are procedures that are becoming more popular to treat cartilage breakdown by athletes and that was never mentioned (cartilage replacement).  Why don't we just wait and see how Cam looks when he gets back to what he and the team feels is 100%?

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