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I am sorry but James Borrego sucks.

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16 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

As of today the Bobcats/Hornets are -9 vs. final win total for last year.

Magic are +2.

The Hornets are very likely to win more games this year than they did last year.  What Cliff does with the Magic is irrelevant to the argument as we do not know what JB could have done with their talent.

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37 minutes ago, Thelt said:

The Hornets are very likely to win more games this year than they did last year.  What Cliff does with the Magic is irrelevant to the argument as we do not know what JB could have done with their talent.

What Cliff does with magic absolutely is relevant....same metric you provided re: Borrego.

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20 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

What Cliff does with magic absolutely is relevant....same metric you provided re: Borrego.

The only real way to compare two coaches is to have them both coach the same set of players.  That is not usually possible.  This year's hornets is a little different than last year's team so its not perfect but it is as close as you will get.  JB is doing better with this group than Cliff did last year. 

JB has never had a chance to coach the players that Orlando has so there is no way to know if he would do better or worse than Cliff with those guys.

At the end of the day none of this really matters.  Neither team has or had enough talent to compete with the better teams in the league no matter who the coach is.   The only significant thing I like about JB over Cliff is that he does a better job getting the younger players some minutes.  Cliff would put them in his dog house and they would not play for long stretches. 

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On 2/21/2019 at 9:09 AM, Thelt said:

The only real way to compare two coaches is to have them both coach the same set of players.  That is not usually possible.  This year's hornets is a little different than last year's team so its not perfect but it is as close as you will get.  JB is doing better with this group than Cliff did last year. 

JB has never had a chance to coach the players that Orlando has so there is no way to know if he would do better or worse than Cliff with those guys.

At the end of the day none of this really matters.  Neither team has or had enough talent to compete with the better teams in the league no matter who the coach is.   The only significant thing I like about JB over Cliff is that he does a better job getting the younger players some minutes.  Cliff would put them in his dog house and they would not play for long stretches. 

LOL.  Monk has averaged 12 minutes per game over the last 5 games.....Cliff haters would go nuts if that were happening under him.

Cliff is a better coach than Borrego, period.

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13 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

LOL.  Monk has averaged 12 minutes per game over the last 5 games.....Cliff haters would go nuts if that were happening under him.

Cliff is a better coach than Borrego, period.

Monk rarely saw the court under Cliff until the season was over.  Cliff sucks, Borrego might suck too but its too early to tell.

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43 minutes ago, Thelt said:

Monk rarely saw the court under Cliff until the season was over.  Cliff sucks, Borrego might suck too but its too early to tell.

There's are reasons Monk doesn't play as much under either coach as some fans would like -- Monk isn't putting in the work. 

Cliff is a terrific coach, as evidenced by his re-hiring as Head Coach of another NBA team within 7 weeks of being ill advisedly dismissed by the Bobcats/Hornets. 

Borrego may turn out to be a good coach but he's not better than Steve Clifford....

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I'm tired of the "                 coach sucks" talk..

if Pop or Brad Stevens was the coach - what would this team's record be?

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5 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

There's are reasons Monk doesn't play as much under either coach as some fans would like -- Monk isn't putting in the work. 

Cliff is a terrific coach, as evidenced by his re-hiring as Head Coach of another NBA team within 7 weeks of being ill advisedly dismissed by the Bobcats/Hornets. 

Borrego may turn out to be a good coach but he's not better than Steve Clifford....

He failed in Charlotte.  They brought in his man crush, Dwight Howard, and he could not sniff the playoffs.  His system is old fashioned.  He runs the offense through the center.  He is probably the only coach who still does that.  It is great to stuff the stat sheet for Al Jefferson, Dwight Howard or Vucivic but it does not translate to wins.  His defense can't defend the three to save its life.  His system was great 20 years ago but it does not work in the modern NBA where teams feature shooters at all five positions.  The playoff year where we lost to the  Heat was our best team under his tenure but that was more on Cho than anyone.  He found Lin off the scrap heap and got great play from him.  He got us Courtney Lee for nothing who also had a big part in getting us there.  As soon as those guys left the bottom fell out.

 

 

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On 2/25/2019 at 3:33 PM, Thelt said:

He failed in Charlotte.  They brought in his man crush, Dwight Howard, and he could not sniff the playoffs.  His system is old fashioned.  He runs the offense through the center.  He is probably the only coach who still does that.  It is great to stuff the stat sheet for Al Jefferson, Dwight Howard or Vucivic but it does not translate to wins.  His defense can't defend the three to save its life.  His system was great 20 years ago but it does not work in the modern NBA where teams feature shooters at all five positions.  The playoff year where we lost to the  Heat was our best team under his tenure but that was more on Cho than anyone.  He found Lin off the scrap heap and got great play from him.  He got us Courtney Lee for nothing who also had a big part in getting us there.  As soon as those guys left the bottom fell out.

 

 

"Failed"....?!?!?!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coach Cliff has had far and away the best track record of any coach who had to enter the ring with a bad leg and one hand tied behind his back by Air Train Wreck, Yes Co. & Cho!

Since Air Train Wreck joined as an owner and took control of all basketball operations in June of 2006 only 3 squads have posted a winning record (in 12 years), 2 of the 3 were under Coach Cliff.

In those same 12 years, 3 playoff appearances...2 under Coach Cliff.

In 12 years....15 total playoffs games -- 11 under Coach Cliff.

In 12 years....one playoff series where even a SINGLE GAME was won, and even remotely close to being won overall....yup, Coach cliff again. 

In 12 years under Air Train Wreck the franchise has won 3 playoff games, all under Coach Cliff.

Firing Coach Cliff was one of the dumbest things Air Train Wreck, Yes Co. & Cho ever did....and Ol' Trainer and his band of Yes Men have done a ton of incredibly stupid things.

I don't think you understand how much of a handicap it is to work for Ol' Trainer & Yes Co....

....by your definition Borrego will be a failure too.

 

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On 2/20/2019 at 12:01 PM, Thelt said:

The Hornets are very likely to win more games this year than they did last year.  What Cliff does with the Magic is irrelevant to the argument as we do not know what JB could have done with their talent.

Don't look now but the lowly Magic, with their crummy Coach Cliff, just edged past the Bobcats/Hornets for the 8th playoff spot.  Obviously there's no guarantee that's how things will end up at seasons end but it sure would be ripe if so!

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Cliff could win the NBA championship with the Magic this year after sneaking in as the #8 seed in the east and it would not change the fact that he failed in Charlotte.  Sure he had more success than previous coaches of the Bobcats era Hornets but that is not saying much.  He is the only coach to have a player like Kemba to work with.  Kemba was still developing with previous coaches but Cliff got him at his best.

JB might end up being a bad coach and may fail in Charlotte too.  That has nothing to do with Cliff being a failure here.  His record was 196-214, that is a failure in my book.

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3 hours ago, Thelt said:

Cliff could win the NBA championship with the Magic this year after sneaking in as the #8 seed in the east and it would not change the fact that he failed in Charlotte.  Sure he had more success than previous coaches of the Bobcats era Hornets but that is not saying much.  He is the only coach to have a player like Kemba to work with.  Kemba was still developing with previous coaches but Cliff got him at his best.

JB might end up being a bad coach and may fail in Charlotte too.  That has nothing to do with Cliff being a failure here.  His record was 196-214, that is a failure in my book.

Context my man, context.

How do you feel Michael Jordan is doing as an owner?

The real truth is 196-214 is a smashing success when you factor in who the owner is.

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11 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Context my man, context.

How do you feel Michael Jordan is doing as an owner?

The real truth is 196-214 is a smashing success when you factor in who the owner is.

Jordan made a big mistake hiring Cho 

outside of that he is a good owner, and it’s great that we have him 

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14 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Context my man, context.

How do you feel Michael Jordan is doing as an owner?

The real truth is 196-214 is a smashing success when you factor in who the owner is.

He is better than George Shinn......

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36 minutes ago, Thelt said:

He is better than George Shinn......

To quote John McEnroe...

...YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS?!?!

On what do you base that statement?  It's certainly not rooted in on-court results.

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