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Hornets as a Team Question.........

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Where are we if Kemba doesn’t resign?  5 year rebuild like Phila was a few years back?  Sure would be hard to watch.  

Will the coach be retained?  We have a lot of big lead collapses ect.  That lead to losses.

Can we ever expect to get a top tier free agent?  Or will it basically be we get the mid level guys forever?

Sure is hard to be a Hornets fan!  Ugh!

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Think eight years.

Philly lucked into (and traded for) multiple VERY high draft picks (Nerlens Noel, Joel Embiid, Jahlil Okafor, Ben Simmons, and Markelle Fultz, Mikal Bridges) and it still took them 6 years to finally complete their rebuild. Not to mention they were only able to do it because of the Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris trades. Philly would be a five seed without those two trades.

The NBA will always be a league for the large markets unless your team can consistently draft good players.

Look at the contenders this year... Houston was built through free agency, Toronto was built through trades, the Sixers were built through lucky lottery numbers and trades, the Celtics were built through free agency, the Thunder were built through free agency and a generational draft pick, and the Warriors were built through free agency and a generational draft pick.

The only two teams that can really argue that they were built entirely through the draft are Denver and Milwaukee).

Six of Denver's eight players who average double figures (Jokic, Murray, Harris, Barton, Beasley, and Morris) were drafted by Denver and they filled the team out by signing Millsap and Thomas.

Milwaukee's top three players were drafted by them (Antetokounmpo, Middleton, and Brogdon).

Now look at the Hornets, we drafted Kemba and Cody and the rest of the team is made up of poor signings, bad draft picks, and players we traded for.

This team is at the very least eight years away from being a title contender if Kemba leaves.

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Just in a horrible position....one thing for sure...the answer is NOT on the roster

have both think and hope that Mitch has a plan

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What is worse is our cap situation. Being bad with cap space is one thing, being bad while flirting with the luxury tax is a special level of inept. 

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I do not think it is as bad as all that.  If Kemba leaves we have to hope he does a sign and trade where we get something back.  If not it is harder but not impossible. 

We have Bridges and Monk on board.  Monk has not done much lately but he would get more minutes on a post Kemba team.  Next season we would tank.  Given how Frank is playing lately we might retain him (cheaply) this summer if we are going full rebuild.  We could hopefully trade our big expiring contracts (Biz, Marvin, MKG) for draft picks and young players.  If it all goes well I thinking its a three year rebuild.  By that time Batum and Cody's contracts have expired. 

All that is predicated on drafting well and making smart trades for young prospects.  Hopefully Mitch is up to the task.

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It doesn't take 5 or 8 years to rebuild a team. If Kemba leaves we'll probably be better off as long as we did the smart thing and didn't pay some middling free agent to come replace Kemba and ensure we win close to 30 games again. After next season, MKG, Biz, and Marvin come off the books, freeing up a lot of needed space while not costing us much production. The season after that Batum is expiring. As long as Monk, Graham, and Bridges develop decently and we don't make any financially unsound decisions, we'll be in a decent spot in a few years. Hopefully the tank gods are generous to us this year because we sure as hell need it. I'm worried about Monk.

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1 hour ago, archer4364 said:

It doesn't take 5 or 8 years to rebuild a team. If Kemba leaves we'll probably be better off as long as we did the smart thing and didn't pay some middling free agent to come replace Kemba and ensure we win close to 30 games again. After next season, MKG, Biz, and Marvin come off the books, freeing up a lot of needed space while not costing us much production. The season after that Batum is expiring. As long as Monk, Graham, and Bridges develop decently and we don't make any financially unsound decisions, we'll be in a decent spot in a few years. Hopefully the tank gods are generous to us this year because we sure as hell need it. I'm worried about Monk.

Agreed, the challenge right now is to put enough talent around Kemba to win.  If he leaves there is no point in trying to win with the constraints we are under.

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I gotta bad feeling Monk isn’t gonna pan out.

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1 hour ago, Chaos said:

I gotta bad feeling Monk isn’t gonna pan out.

Its not looking good right now.  He probably still has some trade value though.  Maybe we can get something for him this summer.  Shooters are always a need.  He is still on his rookie deal so he has value.

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8 to 10 year just to get another player comparable to Kemba. If we were a larger market maybe 5 to 6.

We still never recovered from getting fuged on AD. There hasn’t been anyone since then that I feel would have made us a championship caliber team tanking for a top pick.

We have had plenty of lottery picks and haven’t hit on any of them really. 

Like it was said earlier, Philly did a lot more than tank to get to where they are and the Bucks got incredibly lucky with Giannis. 

Like I posted in my tanking thread most of the time top 5 picks don’t amount to much and drafting another player like Kemba is insanely hard to do. 

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Don't kid yourselves, this is six year rebuild with a star player and without a star player it will only be longer.

The last time the Nuggets were higher than a three seed in the NBA playoffs was the 2012-13 season (seven years go). They chose to rebuild and have drafted phenomenally since then, adding Gary Harris, Trey Lyles, Nikola Jokic, Malik Beasley, Jamal Murray, Monte Morris, and Michael Porter Jr. (TBD).

In that same time period the Hornets have drafted Cody Zeller, Noah Vonleh, Shabazz Napier (traded for P.J. Hairston), Dwight Powell (traded for Alonzo Gee), Frank Kaminsky, Juan Pablo Vaulet (traded for 2nd Round Draft Picks), Malachi Richardson (traded for Marco Belinelli), Malik Monk, Frank Jackson (traded For Dwayne Bacon and Cash), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (traded For Miles Bridges), Devonte Graham (traded picks to move up to select), and Arnoldas Kulboka.

We are eight+ years from being a top five team if Kemba leaves, no doubt about it. 

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Kemba isnt  going  anywhere.  Mitch is a fantastic  GM and Kemba loves Charlotte.

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On 3/3/2019 at 11:21 PM, MillionDollarCam said:

Think eight years.

Philly lucked into (and traded for) multiple VERY high draft picks (Nerlens Noel, Joel Embiid, Jahlil Okafor, Ben Simmons, and Markelle Fultz, Mikal Bridges) and it still took them 6 years to finally complete their rebuild. Not to mention they were only able to do it because of the Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris trades. Philly would be a five seed without those two trades.

The NBA will always be a league for the large markets unless your team can consistently draft good players.

Look at the contenders this year... Houston was built through free agency, Toronto was built through trades, the Sixers were built through lucky lottery numbers and trades, the Celtics were built through free agency, the Thunder were built through free agency and a generational draft pick, and the Warriors were built through free agency and a generational draft pick.

The only two teams that can really argue that they were built entirely through the draft are Denver and Milwaukee).

Six of Denver's eight players who average double figures (Jokic, Murray, Harris, Barton, Beasley, and Morris) were drafted by Denver and they filled the team out by signing Millsap and Thomas.

Milwaukee's top three players were drafted by them (Antetokounmpo, Middleton, and Brogdon).

Now look at the Hornets, we drafted Kemba and Cody and the rest of the team is made up of poor signings, bad draft picks, and players we traded for.

This team is at the very least eight years away from being a title contender if Kemba leaves.

Warriors drafted Curry, Klay, Green, Barnes over a 4 year period. Sure they picked up Cousins and Durant in free agency but they are still a title contender with out them. 

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