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5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Warriors drafted Curry, Klay, Green, Barnes over a 4 year period. Sure they picked up Cousins and Durant in free agency but they are still a title contender with out them. 

Exactly. 8 years is an insane amount of time, I don't know why MillionDollarCam is obsessed with jerking off about how long and hard a rebuild is going to be. Of course if we screw up all our lottery picks the rebuild will take forever, but if all it takes is stringing together a few good drafts, and the rest isn't that hard to assemble. What's really limiting our franchise right now are the contracts of Nic Batum, Marvin Williams, Biz, and MKG. $45 million of that comes off the books after next year, and then Batum and Zeller free up $42 million more the next summer. We've got two excellent pieces in Devonte Graham and Miles Bridges who could definitely be key players on a top 5 team in the future. If we end up with a solid lottery pick this year, keep developing our players, don't sign any ludicrous contracts, then maybe we can even bring in an elite FA to complete the team in a few more years with the Batum money. There is light at the end of the tunnel if we stay smart. It doesn't have to be a decade of rebuilding... 

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they are going to do everything to keep Kemba so for the next 5 years there isnt going to be cap flexibility

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52 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

they are going to do everything to keep Kemba so for the next 5 years there isnt going to be cap flexibility

Kemba is making $12 million this year.  Next year lets say it goes up to $30 million.  That is an increase of $18 per year.  At the end of next season over $40 million comes off the books when Biz, MKG and Marvin expire.  So we could have Kemba and free up $22 million in cap space in a little over one year.  That is enough to do somethings to help the roster.  When Cody and Batum come off then we will have plenty of cap space. 

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8 hours ago, archer4364 said:

Exactly. 8 years is an insane amount of time, I don't know why MillionDollarCam is obsessed with jerking off about how long and hard a rebuild is going to be. Of course if we screw up all our lottery picks the rebuild will take forever, but if all it takes is stringing together a few good drafts, and the rest isn't that hard to assemble. What's really limiting our franchise right now are the contracts of Nic Batum, Marvin Williams, Biz, and MKG. $45 million of that comes off the books after next year, and then Batum and Zeller free up $42 million more the next summer. We've got two excellent pieces in Devonte Graham and Miles Bridges who could definitely be key players on a top 5 team in the future. If we end up with a solid lottery pick this year, keep developing our players, don't sign any ludicrous contracts, then maybe we can even bring in an elite FA to complete the team in a few more years with the Batum money. There is light at the end of the tunnel if we stay smart. It doesn't have to be a decade of rebuilding... 

How many capable starters have we drafted since Kemba (hint: the answer is none).

Also, how many years has it been since we drafted Kemba (hint: the answer is eight).

Additiobally, which Kevin Durantesque and Demarcus Cousinsesque free agents do you see signing with Charlotte to speed up our rebuild?

Our team is made up of one elite draft pick (Kemba) and a bunch of mediocre free agents/trades.

Maybe you still have hope MKG is going to live up to his second overall potential or that Zeller is going to live up to the infamous LaMarcus Aldridge comparison, but most of us outside of fantasyland realize how hard it is to build a competitive NBA team in a small market with horrible talent evaluation.

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10 hours ago, MillionDollarCam said:

How many capable starters have we drafted since Kemba (hint: the answer is none).

Also, how many years has it been since we drafted Kemba (hint: the answer is eight).

Additiobally, which Kevin Durantesque and Demarcus Cousinsesque free agents do you see signing with Charlotte to speed up our rebuild?

Our team is made up of one elite draft pick (Kemba) and a bunch of mediocre free agents/trades.

Maybe you still have hope MKG is going to live up to his second overall potential or that Zeller is going to live up to the infamous LaMarcus Aldridge comparison, but most of us outside of fantasyland realize how hard it is to build a competitive NBA team in a small market with horrible talent evaluation.

Its hard to build a team anywhere with bad talent evaluation.  The Knicks, Bulls and Lakers have struggled for a few years despite being big market teams. I think we have screwed up more than most though.  Out of all the lottery picks we have made in the past few years only Kemba has become a star.  Maybe Bridges will? 

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On 3/5/2019 at 1:33 PM, archer4364 said:

There is light at the end of the tunnel if we stay smart.

Therein lay the problem....the owner is not smart....quite the opposite actually.

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13 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Therein lay the problem....the owner is not smart....quite the opposite actually.

So how do you know MJ is calling all the shots?  You have access to information that we don't or are you just assuming it? 

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1 hour ago, Thelt said:

So how do you know MJ is calling all the shots?  You have access to information that we don't or are you just assuming it? 

LOL....well he is the owner.  If that wasn't a clue for you, just take a look at the track record of the team since Jordan took over in 2006....

....7 head coaches and 4 GM's later the team sucks and the franchise is completely boxed in from a salary cap perspective.

As the inimitable Bill Parcels said....."you are what your record says you are".

The Bobcats track record says the business is completely mismanaged, top to bottom. 

(but Ol' Air Train Wreck has made a lot of his running buddies happy w/ big salaries over the years, so there is that)

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2 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

LOL....well he is the owner.  If that wasn't a clue for you, just take a look at the track record of the team since Jordan took over in 2006....

....7 head coaches and 4 GM's later the team sucks and the franchise is completely boxed in from a salary cap perspective.

As the inimitable Bill Parcels said....."you are what your record says you are".

The Bobcats track record says the business is completely mismanaged, top to bottom. 

(but Ol' Air Train Wreck has made a lot of his running buddies happy w/ big salaries over the years, so there is that)

So you do not know anything you are just assuming that MJ over rides his GM and Coaches and that is what makes the team bad? 

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3 hours ago, Thelt said:

So you do not know anything you are just assuming that MJ over rides his GM and Coaches and that is what makes the team bad? 

There have been reports about MJ meddling. Sometimes, well one time, it worked, which was Kemba. Others were not so great, like Frank. Frank was pointed out well before the draft as someone MJ liked a lot. Jordan is a dominant figure in basketball and it is hard to say no to him, even if you really want to. The team has faltered since he took over. Only making the playoffs 3 times. THREE TIMES and all of those 1st round exits. 48-34 is the best record we have gotten. No back to back winning seasons. The team is ran poorly at best. Jordan has to do a better job, there is no excuses. The Carolinas want him to do a good job. Very few want him to fail. He needs to stop worrying about making a profit solely and care more about winning and building a winner. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

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5 hours ago, Thelt said:

So you do not know anything you are just assuming that MJ over rides his GM and Coaches and that is what makes the team bad? 

So what's your thesis?

Do you believe the best player in the history of basketball just hired a 5'5" guy from Burma with a background in engineering and just turned the team over to him 100% while sitting idly in the background?

That the story you are hanging your hat on?

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12 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

So what's your thesis?

Do you believe the best player in the history of basketball just hired a 5'5" guy from Burma with a background in engineering and just turned the team over to him 100% while sitting idly in the background?

That the story you are hanging your hat on?

I have no idea how much MJ is involved.  I doubt it is as much as you think it is but I am sure he is involved.  I suspect it is less now than it has been now that Mitch is here.  Mitch does not have to be here, other teams would like to have him as GM.

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9 hours ago, Thelt said:

I have no idea how much MJ is involved.  I doubt it is as much as you think it is but I am sure he is involved.  I suspect it is less now than it has been now that Mitch is here.  Mitch does not have to be here, other teams would like to have him as GM.

You "have no idea"....I have a very strong idea.  Not sure why you'd ever argue any point you "have no idea" about.

Kupchak was out of the league for over a year and I have seen zero evidence any other team interviewed him for anything.  If other teams wanted him, he wouldn't be here....this place is a career killer for most (Coach Clifford the exception).

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Buzz Peterson was on wfnz today and I missed it...anybody hear it?...what did he say?

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2 hours ago, bull123 said:

Buzz Peterson was on wfnz today and I missed it...anybody hear it?...what did he say?

I would be willing to bet nothing of consequence was said....

....pretty interesting really -- The Buzzard has been on Air Train Wreck's butt buddy payroll for years and years and years and I cannot EVER remember him saying anything for public consumption (learned from the best, Ol' Trainer hissef).

Which show was he on?  There's probably a stream available to replay...

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