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Confused about moving to a 3-4

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We have the two nose tackles with poe and butler, but who are our "big ends"? I see short as ideal but who is on the other side? Not irvin (he'll be at olb right?)

Those guys need to be close to 300 lbs. Also seems like we need another olb type like Irvin before we hit the draft. 

Help out this confused panther. 

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It is a hole in the current roster but right now its Short at one and Butler and Cox would be the leading candidates for the second big end position.

The other starting OLB is Addison with Obada and Haynes as depth.  Cox could qualify here as well.

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KK has shown the ability in the past where he can.  

But thats it, so we Seriously need to look for somebody

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I really dont like the idea that we are moving to a 3-4, i get the feeling that the Panthers want enough versatile players to play any defense they want based on the situation. 

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I have been saying this for awhile.  If you watch film from the end of last year you will see that they often played Butler at NT and Cox sometimes at DE when they went to 3-4.  There were times that Butler also lined up at end. 
 

I could see something like Short, Poe, Butler on running downs and Short, Butler, Cox on passing downs.

Either way if we are really going to a 3-4 you could make the argument that 3-4 DEs are as big of a need as anything we have on DE.

Look at it this way, what is the biggest position to upgrade:

3-4 OLB-Addison

3-4 OLB-Irvin

3-4 DE-Cox/Butler

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Where did the announcement that we’re switching to 3-4 come from? I don’t understand why so many think this. It was said that we would incorporate more 3-4 looks to confuse offenses. Jourdan Rodrigue even said herself in the burns article that we were not switching to a 3-4 base. 

 

I really dont don’t understand why so many fans think there’s a full 3-4 transition. And this isn’t just directed at the OP. There’s been so many posts about this and I’ve yet to see one person site any source saying we were going from base 4-3 to 3-4

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1 hour ago, ncfan said:

KK has shown the ability in the past where he can.  

But thats it, so we Seriously need to look for somebody

Sadly, it has been a while since KK showed much of anything. Those big paychecks in his wallet have slowed him down mightily.

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1 hour ago, countryboi said:

I really dont like the idea that we are moving to a 3-4, i get the feeling that the Panthers want enough versatile players to play any defense they want based on the situation. 

Yes. I think it’s about versatility more than an entire philosophical/personnell shift.  If you can be dynamic in your defensive sets then it makes you better at being able to counter someone else’s strengths.  

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28 minutes ago, Panthers8969 said:

Where did the announcement that we’re switching to 3-4 come from? I don’t understand why so many think this. It was said that we would incorporate more 3-4 looks to confuse offenses. Jourdan Rodrigue even said herself in the burns article that we were not switching to a 3-4 base. 

 

I really dont don’t understand why so many fans think there’s a full 3-4 transition. And this isn’t just directed at the OP. There’s been so many posts about this and I’ve yet to see one person site any source saying we were going from base 4-3 to 3-4

if it's not a full switch and only something used half the time, then you're talking about a total of around 240 snaps in a 3-4 look through the whole season. About 15 a game and that's if the trend of base defenses being on the field less doesn't increase. 

 

I used 25% of defensive snaps for a season for the above, about half of the Panthers base looks in 2017-2018 season. It's pointless to go through free agency and drafting for 3-4 players/ those who can play multiple fronts if it's only going to see that low of a snap count. 

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17 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Sadly, it has been a while since KK showed much of anything. Those big paychecks in his wallet have slowed him down mightily.

I think last year was the only season we can maybe call a down season for KK. And honestly I think alot had to do with the DC and the lack of confidence those guys had in his playcalling. Even Luke seemed to be pissed and unmotivated at times. With Ron calling the plays on defense things immediately looked better .

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34 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Sadly, it has been a while since KK showed much of anything. Those big paychecks in his wallet have slowed him down mightily.

1 season?

Just the season before his stats were comparable to many of the other top tier DTs such as Cox.

For CMCs sake, lets hope he doesnt have a down year this season or this board will be ready to run him off

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Belicheck and Wade and others showed consistently that not being stuck to a base scheme but rather making adjustments with versatile players to put them in positions for mismatches and best chance to make plays is light years better than staying in a base scheme.

therefore, while we will pick up pieces to make 3-4 looks more viable, I would say watch us float in and out of 4-3/3-4 packages. More of either can be brought depending on who we are playing and what is working against a team.

with that being said,.. I wouldn’t be shocked if 16 and other end up being DE/DT or DE/OLB hybrid players that can play both.

Ed Oliver, Christian Wilkins, DAndre Walker, Brian Burns Sweat and others that have versatility.

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I don't think some people have considered that we may be going to more of a Wade Phillips hybrid 3-4 where the size of the DTs and DEs is less important.

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1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

I think last year was the only season we can maybe call a down season for KK. And honestly I think alot had to do with the DC and the lack of confidence those guys had in his playcalling. Even Luke seemed to be pissed and unmotivated at times. With Ron calling the plays on defense things immediately looked better .

Yeh, with Ron calling plays they gave up an average of around 18 a game. He might suck at time management and giving vets preferential treatment but he knows defense.

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2 hours ago, JARROD said:

Belicheck and Wade and others showed consistently that not being stuck to a base scheme but rather making adjustments with versatile players to put them in positions for mismatches and best chance to make plays is light years better than staying in a base scheme.

therefore, while we will pick up pieces to make 3-4 looks more viable, I would say watch us float in and out of 4-3/3-4 packages. More of either can be brought depending on who we are playing and what is working against a team.

with that being said,.. I wouldn’t be shocked if 16 and other end up being DE/DT or DE/OLB hybrid players that can play both.

Ed Oliver, Christian Wilkins, DAndre Walker, Brian Burns Sweat and others that have versatility.

I also think they see Dremont Jones in the 4-3 DE / 3-4 DE role. 

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