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2 hours ago, Shocker said:

He is wrong a lot, just like everyone else.

He once said Peterman was a great pick for the Bills and that Gabbert was better than Cam...

Whos to say we won’t use Burns like Barr and then use him as a 3-4LB?

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If McShay quadrupled his prediction accuracy percentage, he’d still be less accurate than a weather man. 

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1 hour ago, NanceUSMC said:

Incredibly odd to me that McShay had Little rated as the 8th best overall player in the draft in December, but now views him as a horrible selection...  I'd love to know what happened between the time college games ended and now to build this fire of hate against the kid...  This way, no matter what the kid does in the pros, McShay (and Kiper too) can claim they had it right all along...  Welcome to click-bait journalism, Todd...

8. Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss*

Grade: 92 | Height: 6-6 | Weight: 325 | Previous: 8

The onetime top high school offensive tackle in the nation, Little has carried it over into SEC play. A smooth mover for his size, he can be outstanding in pass protection if he gets a little better with his hands. He has good quickness as a run-blocker and takes smart angles, though he's not a mauler.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/insider/story/_/id/25445141/2019-nfl-draft-todd-mcshay-top-32-prospect-rankings-grades

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25501194/ole-miss-greg-little-top-rated-offensive-tackle-enter-nfl-draft

But now as of this weekend, also has his grade as a 75, and not a 92 as he did during the college season...

Greg Littlenews_icon.gif OT 6'5¼" 310 Ole Miss 75    

 

I can answer that. The combine happened in between and to say Little did poorly is not an understatement.

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5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I can answer that. The combine happened in between and to say Little did poorly is not an understatement

This raises an interesting question.  And I am not pointing it at you specifically.

We constantly harp that "Combine Warriors" are over hyped due to a few good days at the Combine and shouldn't be regarded so highly.  Example.  Metcalf.

Should the opposite apply?  Should a good prospect who has a bad day at the Combine automatically drop?

Or is the Combine a 1 way street.  You can either "stay the same" or "get worse"?

 

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Just now, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

This raises an interesting question.  And I am not pointing it at you specifically.

We constantly harp that "Combine Warriors" are over hyped due to a few good days at the Combine and shouldn't be regarded so highly.  Example.  Metcalf.

Should the opposite apply?  Should a good prospect who has a bad day at the Combine automatically drop?

Or is the Combine a 1 way street.  You can either "stay the same" or "get worse"?

 

The reason I didn’t like or want Little was not the workout numbers, which weren’t good. I thought he had terrible footwork and hips/movement in the drills. I pointed out an example where there showed the backpedal/hip swivel drill and a play by James Daniels (loved him in last year’s draft) did that same move and saved Trubitzky’s ass on a blitz/stunt. He had one responsibility and swiveled like a mad man and got another rusher. Little based on that drill gets Cam killed.

I really hope he works out but I was really vocal with my dislike especially with the trade up. He looked like a great college tackle who got away with stuff he won’t be able to in the NFL. I hope I’m wrong. 

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Just now, stbugs said:

The reason I didn’t like or want Little was not the workout numbers, which weren’t good. I thought he had terrible footwork and hips/movement in the drills. I pointed out an example where there showed the backpedal/hip swivel drill and a play by James Daniels (loved him in last year’s draft) did that same move and saved Trubitzky’s ass on a blitz/stunt. He had one responsibility and swiveled like a mad man and got another rusher. Little based on that drill gets Cam killed.

I really hope he works out but I was really vocal with my dislike especially with the trade up. He looked like a great college tackle who got away with stuff he won’t be able to in the NFL. I hope I’m wrong. 

I know, and I wasn't meaning to imply his work out numbers were the reason you didn't like him.

It was more of a general question.  We (as fans) like to say someone like Metcalf is over rated due to just being a Combine Warrior.  I just found it interesting, how we (generally speaking), often don't give the same benefit of a doubt to someone we previously liked..but did poorly at the Combine.  

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26 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

This raises an interesting question.  And I am not pointing it at you specifically.

We constantly harp that "Combine Warriors" are over hyped due to a few good days at the Combine and shouldn't be regarded so highly.  Example.  Metcalf.

Should the opposite apply?  Should a good prospect who has a bad day at the Combine automatically drop?

Or is the Combine a 1 way street.  You can either "stay the same" or "get worse"?

 

According to the combine stats, Jerry Rice was slow WR. Of course, those of us who saw him play remember that his game speed was among the best we've ever seen for a receiver.

Game film and live action should always carry more weight than combine drills when assessing a player. Some players have the ability to excel with pads on in game situations, even though their combine data may suggest other wise. Other players with "great measurables" tend to do the opposite. 

If you want to see how good Little is in pass protection and run blocking, take a look at the film and see how he did week in and week out against the best competition in the SEC

PS...those links listed above do not work. 

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Rice also played in an era before guys spent three months after the football season learning to be track stars. I think it was Rashan Gary who worked out at Michael Johnson's (Olympic Gold medalist sprinter) training facility leading up to the Combine.

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3 hours ago, stbugs said:

I can’t see pick 100 as a major reach, he was consistently ranked higher than both of those two QBs.

That said, he’s right to question Little. Some like him more than others but he’s the pick that in 3 years we either have an A draft or a D. There’s a lot of people in here that don’t like to question things but I’m worried about Little. I can’t make that assumption that he solves our LT issue. If he doesn’t we blew our entire day 3, which is where I thought we’d have to excel. If he does, trading up was worth it and pick 77 or 100 didn’t matter. With the way Hurney drafts, he’d have taken Grier at 77 instead.

Little was on a lot of draft boards as a 1st rounder, and the panthers did a lot of research on him. I find it hard not to be excited about him. Jeez, I hope I'm right. 

The only thing that I know about Greir is that the Panthers were in love with him from the start.

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38 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Little was on a lot of draft boards as a 1st rounder, and the panthers did a lot of research on him. I find it hard not to be excited about him. Jeez, I hope I'm right. 

The only thing that I know about Greir is that the Panthers were in love with him from the start.

If I hadn’t watched the combine then I’d probably be OK. He stood out to me in a bad way. As weird as it sounds, I hope he wasn’t prepared or maybe wasn’t trying too hard and it wasn’t that he’s not as agile as people think when talking about a true LT.

Also, his stock absolutely was dropping through the process. He was a top tackle to start and slowly moved down a lot of boards. The places that value the colleg play (like PFF) still had him ranked high. 

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12 minutes ago, stbugs said:

If I hadn’t watched the combine then I’d probably be OK. He stood out to me in a bad way. As weird as it sounds, I hope he wasn’t prepared or maybe wasn’t trying too hard and it wasn’t that he’s not as agile as people think when talking about a true LT.

Also, his stock absolutely was dropping through the process. He was a top tackle to start and slowly moved down a lot of boards. The places that value the colleg play (like PFF) still had him ranked high. 

Maybe he pulled a Kelvin Benjamin and “purposely” bombed the combine so that he could drop to the Panthers (lol)

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3 hours ago, stbugs said:

I can answer that. The combine happened in between and to say Little did poorly is not an understatement.

I didnt watch to deep into the OL drills at the combine

I remember reading everywhere he bombed the combined and the big thing they pointed was the 40 time.   40 times for a OL is about as pointless as if they made kickers throw the ball for distance 

 

Little had a faster shuttle, longer broad jump, and higher vert.  So his explosivness and quickness was still better than the top OT in the class.  He also had longer arms that about all the OTs in the class including Jawaan Taylor

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