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Marty Hurney tried to trade up to get Greg Little as early as the No. 21 overall pick in the first round

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23 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

“we had him with a first round grade”

 hmmm pretty sure he said that about dwayne jarrett, everette brown, jimmy clausen...

I mean.  A lot of people had Little as a first round grade, with the only thing really causing him to drop was the Combine.

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4 hours ago, The Natural said:

The fact he didn't find a partner is a sign that he used restraint and wasn't offering something outrageous. This isn't a bad thing...... 

This, and the talk that Little was going to be the pick at 16 if Burns wasn't there was real. That's how high a grade Hurney had in him. Not necessarily the scouts, but Hurney.

The fact he didn't get a taker shows that the guy may have learned something about knowing when to say when. Old Hurney would have sold the farm to get him.

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Just now, rayzor said:

This, and the talk that Little was going to be the pick at 16 if Burns wasn't there was real. That's how high a grade Hurney had in him. Not necessarily the scouts, but Hurney.

The fact he didn't get a taker shows that the guy may have learned something about knowing when to say when. Old Hurney would have sold the farm to get him.

Yeah.  I don't really see what the complaint is.

"GM looked into trading up for a guy, but the price was too high, so he decided not to"

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12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And Ealy and Funchess. I think every 2nd round pick we've ever made we "had a 1st round grade on him".

remember when jarrett fell to us at like 45, and a few days later, marty cut keyshawn johnson :crying:

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Yeah, I was pretty surprised he didn't end up doing it. I know multiple GMs had a 1st round grade on him.

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3 hours ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Hell. The Falcons only gave up #45 and 79 to go get McGary in the 1st at pick 31.   We gave up #47 and #77 for pick 37 and no 5th year option.  

More proof that we didn't try what Hurney says.

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2 hours ago, ladypanther said:

Last night on Sirius NFL late Hits, Bill Poilian said Hurney was absolutely right with the Little move.

To me it was a no brainer---you have to make it or you go through another season with a project or temp agency LT.  Little is not perfect and he has some work ahead of him, but the alternative was not having a true LT.

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1 hour ago, cookinbrak said:

More proof that we didn't try what Hurney says.

The market determined the price.  Think about it--a LT sitting there in the early second is worth more than a G or LB--if they thought Little had a first round grade, then he was well worth it.  Yes, we lost a third rounder for a potential franchise LT.  All day long.

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10 hours ago, Tbe said:

I just don’t get this guy. What was he trying to trade? A 2nd and a 3rd or two? How does a modern GM believe that it’s possible to build a consistent winner by only drafting one or two starters a year? Most guys don’t have 10 year careers. You have to bring in more young talent than that.

What teams are drafting more than one or two starters every year in the draft? I’m talking about  actual contributors, not just bodies they’re throwing out on the field.

If you have two starters on your roster from a draft 3 or 4 years ago that’s a huge success in the NFL.

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12 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

GM Marty Hurney told @alexmarvez & @CFD22 how it went down.

"We started Thursday night around pick 21, trying to get up. We had him as a 1st round talent"

 Audio  pic.twitter.com/lJpIsbgj8p

— SiriusXM NFL Radio (@SiriusXMNFL) May 14, 2019

Not that I needed another reason but this proves to me that hurney hasn’t learned anything from his mistakes last go around. 

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4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

The market determined the price.  Think about it--a LT sitting there in the early second is worth more than a G or LB--if they thought Little had a first round grade, then he was well worth it.  Yes, we lost a third rounder for a potential franchise LT.  All day long.

But he didn't try at 21, or it would have happened before 37. Picks 21, 22,24,25,26,27,29,30, 31,34, and 35 involved trades. All those teams were ready to bargain. Oakland was making trades left and right.

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11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I kinda wish we didn't have that 5th year option on Shaq to have forced our hand. We would've either already signed him to an extension that would probably put his cap hit for this year at significantly less than his current nearly $10M or we would've let him walk and TD would be here for another year.

If we were completely sold on Shaq, he would've already been extended. That 5th year option really only helps you if you're dealing with a really good player at a premium position. QB, LT, WR, CB then yeah. Mediocre LB? Meh... I wish we didn't have that crutch. Make the call.

Exactly...5th year and no extension means they are not sold on him yet like the rest of us and to me for a drop back linebacker that doesnt do anything extremely well i would have just let him walk. I think you risk taking the chance on a replacement there compared to other positions. Shaq doest elevate us nor does he bring us down but for 10 million...i take the cap room.

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The Cap has changed the way everybody thinks. 1st, what used to be a high salary is not any more. A guy getting 10 mil a year is not even tops in his position any more. Crazy! 2nd, GM's have to think a few years ahead if they have great players that will require big salaries. In 2 years, what do you do with CMC, DJ, Ajax and Samuel? What about Bradberry next year? He's rock solid, not the best but could easily command $14 mil a year, possibly more. 

I think the Panthers got young just so they afford future contracts and one being Cam if he has a great year and shoulder if fine, is going to get $30+ mil a year next year possibly. 

The Little trade was worth it. 4 years of a LT on the cheap is worth it and needed to help balance the cap. 

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12 hours ago, Tbe said:

I just don’t get this guy. What was he trying to trade? A 2nd and a 3rd or two? How does a modern GM believe that it’s possible to build a consistent winner by only drafting one or two starters a year? Most guys don’t have 10 year careers. You have to bring in more young talent than that.

I am not a fan of trading up.  That being said, most teams only get a couple of starters in a year.  They do it by drafting 6 or 7 and hoping a couple of them are starter quality.  We had a good year last year getting three potential starters.  

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Starters don't come in the third round very often, so sacrificing that pick for a guy in the second whom we believed was a first round talent makes complete sense.  Consider that 18 of our 22 starters last year were drafted in the first two rounds by whomever drafted them . . . the outliers were Chris Clark, Greg Van Roten, Trai Turner and Mike Adams.

I follow the thinking that Hurney tried to get back up into the first, but knew what the right price was and when he didn't get a taker, he did what he had to do in the second.  Old Hurney might very well have traded away future picks.  This guy didn't.  We still have all of our draft picks next year.  We can now go into that draft without any competitive disadvantage.

What may or may not have been tried is irrelevant.  Our draft, on paper, was a pretty successful one.

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