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7 minutes ago, Captroop said:

The point of all the critical articles is that the hearings weren't sensational.

The point is that the dems needed Mueller to make a headlines, which he was never going to do. Because people, like you, literally just read the headline.

The problem is, it shouldn't have to be sensational! The findings of the report are shocking enough. But we've got literally half the country depending on news sources who tell them the findings are not a big deal, and "totally exonerate the president." So what's in the report, what was said in front of Congress, none of it matters because the message goes through a right-wing filter before it ever reaches half the nation. And it all gets distilled down into a headline that sways your opinion before you even bother to read the article.

The problem is 100% the right wing echo chamber. If they weren't being fed a stream of intentional misinformation on a daily basis, he would have been long gone by now. Hell, he never would have been elected!

If only got a blowjob. That would have been front page. 

 

Wait he had sex with a porn star paid her off and lied about it. But that’s old news and no one cares. 

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1 hour ago, Marquis said:

Curious what crimes you're talking about with Hillary? Benghazi? Her emails? The attacks on her were overblown as well.

Obviously Benghazi was terrible but if you go digging in their pasts you could fill a book with all of their white collar crimes.

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48 minutes ago, Captroop said:

Hell yeah!

The Republicans looked like complete idiots. Trump is 100% guilty! Conservatives got owned! LOL! HAHAHAHA! FACED!

I'm condescendingly making taunting statements without evidence because I don't care if you refute me! Lol!

Dems are good at making statements without evidence.  This thread being a perfect example.  Carry on.

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1 hour ago, Marquis said:

But isn't that a valid criticism? Even if, for the sake of argument, Russia is pushing that narrative that wouldn't make it not a valid criticism.

No, it is an example of Russia’s influence.  How they mold dumb Americans. Russia state TV propaganda then becomes what the right wing digest because they like the sound of it. 

All you have to do is fact check the false narrative. 

Mueller was the FBI director.  FBI deals with DOMESTIC affairs.   Mueller/FBI weren’t the ones selling the case for the Iraq War.   Hell, you go read the RT stuff they put out creating the narrative.  They know Trumper folks don’t read or think.  They would claim stuff that Mueller sold the Iraq WMD stuff because he mentioned Iraq in testimony after Bush already went in.  Nevermind the context.  Just nonsense.   That he sold the war because his name and WMDs were mentioned in the same news article as proof. 

 

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/mueller-wont-say-it-but-trump-clearly-obstructed-justice/594634/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-mueller-delivered-the-goods-will-dems-feast-on-them

So Mueller opted not to recommend charges for impeachment consideration, as Starr did.  Why?  Was it because Starr had different authority as an independent rather than a special counsel?  Was it because trump knew not to sit for an interview, so Mueller couldn't get the goods?

Or was it because Mueller was a republican after all, stringing democrats along?  

 I wonder if any of his staff will break the rules and say that he should have recommended impeachment consideration.

I think the democrats have enough to impeach here and should run with it.  They don't need the recommendation, just the evidence.

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8 minutes ago, Manther said:

So Mueller opted not to recommend charges for impeachment consideration, as Starr did.  Why?  Was it because Starr had different authority as an independent rather than a special counsel?

Yes,

 

After the Starr investigation the roles for special counsel changed.  Starr had authority to report directly to congress, Mueller was directed to report to the DOJ.  This is a significant rule change.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ECUPantherFan said:

Dems are good at making statements without evidence.  This thread being a perfect example.  Carry on.

I know you are, but what am I?

[email protected]! HAHAHA!

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2 hours ago, Manther said:

 

 I wonder if any of his staff will break the rules and say that he should have recommended impeachment consideration.

 

sure they will...they were all dim clinton bootlickers & Trump haters

very clear that Bob was not running this show

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7 minutes ago, bull123 said:

sure they will...they were all dim clinton bootlickers & Trump haters

very clear that Bob was not running this show

Again, truth and facts are things you care little about. 

Did you realize how vast and extensive his investigation was? Yeah, he was the boss of it. That is generally how things work.  Especially like this. 

Mueller attempted to set the stage so those in Congress could get more info.  Republicans cried and didn’t want it.   Can’t expect on the fly he can say under oath with full confidence any of the cherry picked items (out of the boatload his group worked on) thrown at him are correct in those tiny burst question rounds. 

Hey, Mitch McConnell blocked 2 more bills to secure our democratic elections from foreigners.   Because hey, nothing says America like shitting on America to own the libs.  Fun fact.  That actually makes you against us.  

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2 hours ago, Fryfan said:

Yes,

 

After the Starr investigation the roles for special counsel changed.  Starr had authority to report directly to congress, Mueller was directed to report to the DOJ.  This is a significant rule change.

 

 

So are you saying the report that Mueller brought to the AG had a recommendation for impeachment consideration and the AG made him change that? 

Or are you saying that Mueller shirked his duty and didn't bring it because it wouldn't make the AG happy?

I'm really wondering if Mueller looked at the senate and said this is going nowhere, the evidence isn't quite a slam dunk, so I'm going to give the House a way out, by not recommending impeachment consideration.  You get the same aura of illegitimacy without the potential blow back that everyone believes happened in 98. 

The question is, if democrats don't impeach will the blow back occur within the party?  Of course that's easily remedied as well, just hold an impeachment vote in the house again, the vote fails, and the red-state dems who voted against it are given a pass because of their districts.  If mueller's staff go off the reservation in support, the vote will just be closer, and there's more drama, but the the result will be the same.

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I think its important to note that ZERO republicans questioned the accuracy of the conclusions offered in the report. They know 100 percent the report is accurate because if it wasn't they would be screaming about how inaccurate it was.  its pretty much acknowledgment though omission.  

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8 minutes ago, countryboi said:

I think its important to note that ZERO republicans questioned the accuracy of the conclusions offered in the report.

This.

Not a single republican on either committee questioned any of the facts or findings of the investigation. Instead, they attempted to bring into question the motivation of the investigation, Mueller's loyalties,  party affiliation of FBI agents, etc.

Bottom line- the report clearly illustrates the crimes Trump & company committed. Republicans seem to believe that because Trump cannot be charged he must not have done anything.

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19 minutes ago, countryboi said:

I think its important to note that ZERO republicans questioned the accuracy of the conclusions offered in the report. They know 100 percent the report is accurate because if it wasn't they would be screaming about how inaccurate it was.  its pretty much acknowledgment though omission.  

The Republicans know everything they said about Trump is true.  Always have known it.  Know it today.  

I think [Donald Trump is] uninformed about the situation regarding the illegal immigrant population. I think he has hijacked the debate

 Tell Donald Trump to go to hell. He’s a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot. He doesn’t represent my party. He doesn’t represents the values that the men and women who wear the uniform are fighting for. … He’s the ISIL man of the year.”

would take generations to overcome a Trump candidacy.

Trump got power.  So they value keeping their own power over all.  They want power when Trump is gone.  It is all about the personal well being and wishes of fake hacks who aren’t actually in public service. 

But make no mistake.  The right in DC agrees with the Democrats.  They just don’t care in the end.   To them, them keeping power, meant they will ride Trump out.  They will ride out just about anything pending they keep power. 

 

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5 hours ago, ECUPantherFan said:

Dems are good at making statements without evidence.  This thread being a perfect example.  Carry on.

You're good at having meltdowns on this forum when your personal life is falling apart

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This is all so dumb but let's play a little thought experiment. Assuming that you clowns think Mueller should've written every word (showing how little you know how any of this works), fine...he wrote every word.

I want you clowns to write a 450 page detailed, fact heavy report. Then, I'm gonna have 50 or so people, over the course of 7 hours, while cameras are rolling and millions of people are watching, they are going to make references to Vol 1 page 100 the paragraph that starts with "President Trump then complained..." and, in the same question, I'm going to reference Vol 2 page 79 the paragraph that starts "Hope Hicks, upon seeing the emails..." and then I'm gonna finish with is that true?

Rinse repeat this process for 7 hours and let's see how any human does. The screed about HOW he answered questions makes you all useful idiots in order to disregard the actual substance of the report...which has been out for months and none of you clowns have bothered to read it (or the Executive Summary at least) because it's so important to you and your so certain about everything but...meh...I'm not gonna read all that.

And the conspiracy theories are great. You've constructed the goal posts in such a way that literally nothing can prove Trump's guilt in your eyes because facts care about YOUR feelings. You people are sad and pathetic and were it not such a serious issue, I'd be laughing. Instead I'm still shocked by how many useful idiots there are.

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