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Wed: Last day at Wofford camp tweets

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David NewtonESPN Staff Writer 

Panthers' camp observations as the Wofford College portion ends: 1. Coach Ron Rivera wouldn't name a camp MVP, so I will. Curtis Samuel. The third-year wide receiver caught a deep pass almost every practice, including Wednesday's joint session against Buffalo; 2. QB Cam Newton only talked to the media once in three weeks, but he had a solid camp on the field. Other than a few days off he had no limitations throwing and began developing solid chemistry with his receivers and line; Looks like he'll be ready for the opener; 3. First-round pick Brian Burns was held out of drills after suffering a minor ankle injury on Tuesday, but the Panthers escaped camp with no major injuries -- always a plus. 4. LB Luke Kuechly had a scare early in camp with what appeared to be a head injury, but he finished strong. He had a PBU early on Wednesday and tipped a pass later; 5. If this truly is the last time the Panthers hold training camp at Wofford College, where they have been for 25 years, the school and city of Spartanburg should be applauded for outstanding support.

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2 hours ago, ncfan said:

This

GVR actually scares the piss out of me.  People dont and didnt mention him because the overshadowing issues at LT.  But GVR graded out as one of the worst starting interior OL lastbyear in the league.  Goes back to me wishing we just kept Moton and Williams at OT and drafted Risner at LG in the 2nd

That might have been better for this year, but that’d still leave us without an LT of the future...so it’s a little short-sighted. Whether Little will pan out is TBD, but clearly he was drafted to be that guy.

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18 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

That might have been better for this year, but that’d still leave us without an LT of the future...so it’s a little short-sighted. Whether Little will pan out is TBD, but clearly he was drafted to be that guy.

Not to be greedy, but we are playing to be short sided with these moves.  We're making win now moves.  And with some aging core and a QB with injury history i see why.

We had a OT who had proven (preseason+regular season vs a all-pro or not).  We couldve solidified the OL all the way across.  Now we have Williams at LT, who some critisized him on here because they thought he was overrated at RT.  And a OG who was undrafted, on his 5th team (including a CFL team) and graded out as one of the worst starting interior OL in the league last year.

We couldve stayed (shorted sighted) and strengthened the OL all the way across with no holes just for this year then draft one in the first next year (by the way next years OT class is projected to be even stronger than this year)

Instead we still have a weakness at LG, and drafted a LT instesd that may not even start and need growing until 2020.

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How did Cody ford look? We could have had him if i'm not mistaken.

I still think Panthers should have kept Moton at LT. Its just too dangerous to play with especially with Cam coming off injury.

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5 hours ago, beastson said:

Didn't know Kurt was with them

Saints gave him 3/16 or something only to cut him within a year lol. Him on the Bills was news to me too. 

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1 hour ago, bigpoppa said:

Admittedly, I don't keep up with the kids are wearing these days, but is Cam wearing a sports bra?

Normally I would say No Way, but this is Cam we are talking about, so anything is possible.

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1 hour ago, joemac said:

Normally I would say No Way, but this is Cam we are talking about, so anything is possible.

No. It's a performance tracking equipment.  Measures HR, sweat, etc.  Almost all pro athletes are wearing them now.

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6 hours ago, ncfan said:

Not panthers but my lord Aaron Donald is a fugging freak

 

unironically might be quicker than some DB's in this league. Crazy

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6 hours ago, ncfan said:

Not to be greedy, but we are playing to be short sided with these moves.  We're making win now moves.  And with some aging core and a QB with injury history i see why.

We had a OT who had proven (preseason+regular season vs a all-pro or not).  We couldve solidified the OL all the way across.  Now we have Williams at LT, who some critisized him on here because they thought he was overrated at RT.  And a OG who was undrafted, on his 5th team (including a CFL team) and graded out as one of the worst starting interior OL in the league last year.

We couldve stayed (shorted sighted) and strengthened the OL all the way across with no holes just for this year then draft one in the first next year (by the way next years OT class is projected to be even stronger than this year)

Instead we still have a weakness at LG, and drafted a LT instesd that may not even start and need growing until 2020.

  Very well stated. Especially the part about next years LT class being much better and deeper. Since we drafted a guy who needs some time, what would the difference have been. There were many options besides drafting a project LT and trading premium picks to do it. 

 

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2 hours ago, Toomers said:

  Very well stated. Especially the part about next years LT class being much better and deeper. Since we drafted a guy who needs some time, what would the difference have been. There were many options besides drafting a project LT and trading premium picks to do it. 

 

Yeah but by the time we go to the podium for the first time at pick 32, the elite left tackles will have been long gone. 

Right or wrong, the Panthers felt like Little was a first round talent at one of the most premium positions in football that was a legitimate team need. Generally speaking, when you're deciding between drafting a comparable guard or tackle, you pick the tackle. It's a lot easier to find a quality guard later in the draft. Heck Daley may turn into one, although he seems pretty raw right now. 

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57 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

Yeah but by the time we go to the podium for the first time at pick 32, the elite left tackles will have been long gone. 

Right or wrong, the Panthers felt like Little was a first round talent at one of the most premium positions in football that was a legitimate team need. Generally speaking, when you're deciding between drafting a comparable guard or tackle, you pick the tackle. It's a lot easier to find a quality guard later in the draft. Heck Daley may turn into one, although he seems pretty raw right now. 

  First, if we are picking anywhere near that late we should all be happy. But we dove head first into an awful LT class. It wasn’t just Little. I didn’t want any of them. And there were many option. While many options were available,  we’ll focus on the guard scenario. Sure wouldn’t trade up for one, so at 47 AND 77 I could have drafted McCoy/Deiter AND Khalen Saunders. A good LT is more valuable than a Good OG. No doubt. But it cost us an extra pick. And 8M tp sign McCoy because we passed on one of the best DL classes the entire draft. We walked out of the draft with Vernon Butler as a starter by default! Think about that. Or still get Froholdt at 115 after Thornhill, Saunders and Cajuste or CGJ. Follow that with A badly needed  DL( Mack,  Omenihu)  and instead of a project LT, a QB who we hope never plays, a solid 5th edge defender in a 4-man rotation and a backup RB,  we fill  a lot of present and future holes and still have a developmental LT and G. Many options. 

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10 hours ago, ncfan said:

Not to be greedy, but we are playing to be short sided with these moves.  We're making win now moves.  And with some aging core and a QB with injury history i see why.

We had a OT who had proven (preseason+regular season vs a all-pro or not).  We couldve solidified the OL all the way across.  Now we have Williams at LT, who some critisized him on here because they thought he was overrated at RT.  And a OG who was undrafted, on his 5th team (including a CFL team) and graded out as one of the worst starting interior OL in the league last year.

We couldve stayed (shorted sighted) and strengthened the OL all the way across with no holes just for this year then draft one in the first next year (by the way next years OT class is projected to be even stronger than this year)

Instead we still have a weakness at LG, and drafted a LT instesd that may not even start and need growing until 2020.

Would we not still be playing Daryl Williams at LT in your scenario if we drafted Risner? It seems like the only thing that would change is the LG position...but part of your criticism of our current line is Williams at LT, so that doesn’t make sense to me unless I’m misunderstanding you.

I’ve never heard of a team neglecting any position in the current draft in anticipation of a strong draft class the following year. Seems extremely dangerous and reckless to me...you never know how the draft is gonna pan out or what pick you’re going to have.

I disagree that we need to be in “win now” mode. Who is our “aging core” that you’re referring to? We have a few key members of our team at 30-31 (Cam, Kawann, McCoy) but a pretty young team outside of that. Bradberry/Jackson at CB, Reid at SS, Burns/Haynes/Miller at OLB/DE, Kuechly in his prime, CMC/Moore/Samuel, Ian Thomas ready to take over at TE, fairly young o-line, etc.

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