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Why won't we help the tackles?

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The biggest problem may be that Paradis is doing a lousy job calling the protection schemes. On a lot of those plays it wasn't just that Williams was getting no help, he was actively blocking down the line and completely ignoring the rush to the outside. 

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Why don't we use that first round LT we drafted?

 

 

Oh,  that's right, the team didn't draft one and hasn't in over a decade.  Just like it took years to realize our WR corps sucked before upgrading, it's taking this long for them to realize franchise LTs can't be made out of JAGs.  Maybe after Cam gets beat to a pulp this year we may actually look for our next Jordan Gross in the FIRST ROUND of next year's draft.  I totally called it.  I said if we don't fix the LT situation that Cam will continue to suffer.  Despite all the moves on the defense that amounted to a bunch of window dressing, the team still refused to address the LT situation and as a result, our offense suffers.  Who else suffers?  The shiny new-look defense that has to constantly stay on the field because our QB is either getting pummeled, running for his life or delivering a shotty ball because he has no time to get set leading to a ton of three-and -outs.

Guys, left tackles aren't sexy first round picks and Brain Burns may be a great player in his career, but I wanted a LT this draft BADLY!!!  Instead we went defense and settled for a mediocre right tackle switching to the left side that spent all of last year on IR.  Who didn't see this train wreck happening because I sure did?  Oh, that would be the entire Panthers coaching staff.

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We need to stop playing Daryll out of position at LT. D. Williams needs to be RT depth behind Taylor Moton, and Greg Little needs to start at LT. 

The coaching staff has displayed over and over that they are incompetent with in-game adjustments, the coaches have changed offensively over the years, and it's still producing some similar results, so I'd lay this on Rivera's head.

 

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We pretty much need to draft the best available OT in the draft next year, there's no more excuses to keep avoiding spending a premier first round pick on a franchise LT that Cam has needed badly since Gross retired.

Ideally you'd hope the coaches this season start Greg Little at LT sooner than later and see what we have there. But if he AND D.Williams dont work out, we need to draft the best one in 2020 ASAP. 

Shouldn't be a problem if we keep losing like we are. 

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8 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Why don't we use that first round LT we drafted?

 

 

Oh,  that's right, the team didn't draft one and hasn't in over a decade.  Just like it took years to realize our WR corps sucked before upgrading, it's taking this long for them to realize franchise LTs can't be made out of JAGs.  Maybe after Cam gets beat to a pulp this year we may actually look for our next Jordan Gross in the FIRST ROUND of next year's draft.  I totally called it.  I said if we don't fix the LT situation that Cam will continue to suffer.  Despite all the moves on the defense that amounted to a bunch of window dressing, the team still refused to address the LT situation and as a result, our offense suffers.  Who else suffers?  The shiny new-look defense that has to constantly stay on the field because our QB is either getting pummeled, running for his life or delivering a shotty ball because he has no time to get set leading to a ton of three-and -outs.

Guys, left tackles aren't sexy first round picks and Brain Burns may be a great player in career, but I wanted a LT this draft BADLY!!!  Instead we went defense and settled for a mediocre right tackle switching to the left side that spent all of last year on IR.  Who didn't see this train wreck happening because I sure did?  Oh, that would be the entire Panthers coaching staff.

Word was we were actually going to use our first round pick on Greg Little but didn't because Brian Burns dropped to that spot.

A lot of us weren't even fans of Little as a second round pick. I can only imagine how up in arms people would be if he had been taken at #16 and Burns had gone to somebody else.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Word was we were actually going to use our first round pick on Greg Little but didn't because Brian Burns dropped to that spot.

A lot of us weren't even fans of Little as a second round pick. I can only imagine how up in arms people would be if he had been taken at #16 and Burns had gone to somebody else.

The reality is we simply still don't know what we have in Little. He needs to get some reps in real games.. Can't be any worse than the horse poo that Daryll Williams put out there on Thursday.

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4 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

D. Williams needs to be RT depth and Greg Little needs to start at LT. 

The coaching staff has displayed over and over that they are incompetent with in-game adjustments, the coaches have changed offensively over the years, and it's still producing some similar results, so I'd lay this on Rivera's head.

 

I'm iffy on Little.   There's a reason his draft stock absolutely plummeted.   There's a school of thought that Hurney didn't have to move up to get him and we still could have got Little in our regular draft spot.

 

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Just now, 45catfan said:

I'm iffy on Little.   There's a reason his draft stock absolutely plummeted.   There's a school of thought that Hurney didn't have to move up to get him and we still could have got Little in our regular draft spot.

 

 

1 minute ago, Hoenheim said:

The reality is we simply still don't know what we have in Little. He needs to get some reps in real games.. Can't be any worse than the horse poo that Daryll Williams put out there on Thursday.

 

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With franchise LTs there's usually 2-4 in each draft and nearly all of them in the first round...top of the first round.  Outside of that, it's a reach to develop/groom a guy for that role.  They have to be the "day one" guy or you are honestly grasping at straws.  When we drafted Gross, he was drafted to be unquestionably that "day one" guy at LT.  We need that  player in next year's draft badly, and it probably won't be Hurney or Rivera making the selection.

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26 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

The reality is we simply still don't know what we have in Little. He needs to get some reps in real games.. Can't be any worse than the horse poo that Daryll Williams put out there on Thursday.

He wasn't looking all that good before he got hurt, but the fact that he got hurt as quickly as he did isn't exactly encouraging either.

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21 hours ago, Carolina Cajun said:

I lost all faith in the coaches last game.  We have the only qb in the nfl who can power, we need 12 inches and we motion him out and run a gimmick play with our running back who if he has a real flaw it's that hes smallish and struggles running over tacklers.

you are funny...... if he has a flaw, that is not it!!  One of the problems with the play (which I did no like one bit to start with) is that it was for the most going from east to west...  there was little momentum going forward and it takes a lot less effort to stop someone who is going sideways than to stop someone who is coming straight at you.

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10 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

With franchise LTs there's usually 2-4 in each draft and nearly all of them in the first round...top of the first round.  Outside of that, it's a reach to develop/groom a guy for that role.  They have to be the "day one" guy or you are honestly grasping at straws.  When we drafted Gross, he was drafted to be unquestionably that "day one" guy at LT.  We need that  player in next year's draft badly, and it probably won't be Hurney or Rivera making the selection.

Gross started off playing right tackle....

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We can start by moving Moton back to left and Williams back to right. That's on nobody but Rivera and Norv. 

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3 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

Gross started off playing right tackle....

You are correct and quickly moved to his permanently home at LT.  Why did the staff smartly begin him at RT, albeit briefly?  LT is extremely tough, especially for rookies and the staff wanted to get him some game reps before putting him on an island by himself.  For all of Fox's faults, that was one of the smartest moves he made and we have to also thank the Vikings for not being able to get their card turned in on time for the opportunity to select Gross.

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