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Mr. Scot

I was wondering if anybody noticed this

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7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yes, people make mistakes. But if you're, say, a heart surgeon, a police officer or an airline pilot, people get upset.

An NFL referee isn't as important as any of those things, but millions of dollars are involved in any given NFL game. That's why people get upset when mistakes are made, especially blatant ones.

How many mistakes were made in the game against Tampa?

What was the attendant cost in $$$ terms?

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16 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

SI mentioned it in an article as well (link) and I've seen one or two other comments about it around the internet.

It probably would have been a lot bigger deal if the Bucs had ended up losing, but either way I feel like this was really bad.

I caught it watching it live and literally LOL’d

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16 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

At the time, the DJ (aka HL) spotted the ball and immediately made a forward pointing motion, which is the signal to the referee it is a first down.  I'm not sure it was, in fact it might not have been, but that was his judgement.  Then he tossed it to the umpire (I assume) who moved it further forward.

If I am right about what the DJ's motion, the final spot's only effect was another foot or so.  The main issue it was already called a first down.  There was no challenge, but had if there had been, then it would have been an issue. 

Take the yellow line out of those pictures and you are left with "I think" there is a difference between the two spots.  I have no idea whether the NFL uses the yellow line or not in instant replay.  My suspicion is no.

That may have been why Arians did not throw the flag.  Wasn't there a commercial break after the play?  Or at least more than sufficient time for the buc personnel to see it, or have someone call from Tampa watching the live broadcast.  Any review would have shown the first spot already making the first down and the second spot 8" mistake not worth the timeout.

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3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I thought the first spot was short, and the second spot was correct.

And this is a completely unbiased opinion :thinking:

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58 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And this is a completely unbiased opinion :thinking:

Yeah. I saw how far the ball was extended, and the ref from the top looked like he was on the money, while the ref at the bottom came in & spotted it short. When he did that, I thought to myself "What the fug?" But then when he moved the ball more in line with the top referee, I was like, "OK."

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18 hours ago, ellis said:

It was bad on both sides. Jerome Boger just sounds like a botched call. 

As well as nasal waste product.

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16 hours ago, brandon_87 said:

Or that they'd call holding on every okay because there is always holding

You mean that players would then have to learn how to block as the rules of the game prescribe?

How awful!

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11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yeah. I saw the how far the ball was extended, and the ref from the top looked like he was on the money, while the ref at the bottom came in & spotted it short. When he did that, I thought to myself !What the fug?" But then when he moved the ball more in line with the top referee, I was like, "OK!"

That's what happened, but the DJ made the forward pointing motion in front of his chest telling the referee it was a first down.  I don't think he was correct, but that was his initial take.  I remember that because the announcers were saying right at that time that it was going to be short.

To answer Reno's question, I believe the clock ticked down to the 2 minute warning right about then.  So, the Bucs had the break to look at it.  The question in their minds had to be whether the replay was going to show anything that would cause them to 1) respot the ball, and 2) take back the original first down determination.  That's why I wondered if the replay they look at shows the yellow line.  My guess is that it does not because that is not official and could be wrong, itself.

So, the original spot looked short (compared to the yellow line), the DJ signals to the referee it is a first down (which is his call at that point), he tosses to ball to the U or FJ who then spots it about 8" or so further forward, which was first down distance.....and the Bucs opted to not challenge any of it.

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15 hours ago, rayzor said:

Isn't that what Madden is for?

Seriously, though, refs have been horrible for a long time. They screw stuff up constantly either through ineptitude or bias or both and their decisions can effect outcomes of games almost as much as players on the fields it shouldn't be that way. 

Yeah they make plenty of mistakes, just like players and coaches, etc. Personally, I'd rather have a human game full of flaws than some sort of digital "perfection". Life is messy, and I have no problem with sport being the same.

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Yea i noticed.  Told my bucs fan buddy it was a makeup for the horrendous spot when cam got the first down. At least this one woulda been close anyway

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1 hour ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

Yeah they make plenty of mistakes, just like players and coaches, etc. Personally, I'd rather have a human game full of flaws than some sort of digital "perfection". Life is messy, and I have no problem with sport being the same.

Why? The human game is the players. They should all be held to an equal standard, not a luck of the draw where refs’ biases and inconsistencies heavily influence games.  How anyone could want anything other than perfection when it comes to enforcement of the rules and judgements like this astounds me. 

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1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Why? The human game is the players. They should all be held to an equal standard, not a luck of the draw where refs’ biases and inconsistencies heavily influence games.  How anyone could want anything other than perfection when it comes to enforcement of the rules and judgements like this astounds me. 

From my perspective you can't get rid of "imperfections" if you want to call it that. Just look at instant replay. We look at situations more closely all the time and are still left with grey areas. We slow down the tape and scrutinize it from every angle, and often we still can't say for sure. We look so closely that we reached a point where we can't even define what a "catch" is lol.

For me, sport and life, are about competition, yes. But within that competition things will never be completely clear-cut and/or just. You can do everything "right" and still be undone by circumstance outside your control. Or you can make (big) mistakes - intentionally or not - and be rewarded by the myriad moving parts of life which are utterly outside your influence.

Sport is drama, and like life, within that drama there will be turns of fate that tell the story. That unfolding will not always be clean and tidy, but looking for ultimate fairness in either sport and life is a fantasy that will never be realized, no matter what systems are put in place. For that reason, I am comfortable with the mistakes that are made. That's life.

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46 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

From my perspective you can't get rid of "imperfections" if you want to call it that. Just look at instant replay. We look at situations more closely all the time and are still left with grey areas. We slow down the tape and scrutinize it from every angle, and often we still can't say for sure. We look so closely that we reached a point where we can't even define what a "catch" is lol.

For me, sport and life, are about competition, yes. But within that competition things will never be completely clear-cut and/or just. You can do everything "right" and still be undone by circumstance outside your control. Or you can make (big) mistakes - intentionally or not - and be rewarded by the myriad moving parts of life which are utterly outside your influence.

Sport is drama, and like life, within that drama there will be turns of fate that tell the story. That unfolding will not always be clean and tidy, but looking for ultimate fairness in either sport and life is a fantasy that will never be realized, no matter what systems are put in place. For that reason, I am comfortable with the mistakes that are made. That's life.

Of course it’ll never be perfect, but we should expect a helluva lot higher standard than we have now.  Always strive for perfection, even though it may never be possible to achieve. 

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