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Kyle Allen Has Shown Enough

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On 11/17/2019 at 5:03 PM, firefox1234 said:

Well@App Panther? Have we seen enough?

If/How he bounces back will tell us all we need to know. 

Cam is not coming back to his former self, some of you are delusional, those days are gone. The best we can hope for is Allen is our future and we can dump Cam and his contract. 

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9 minutes ago, App Panther said:

The best we can hope for is Allen is our future and we can dump Cam and his contract

If Allen is our best hope, we might as well just consign ourselves to not even getting the occasional winning season.

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52 minutes ago, App Panther said:

If/How he bounces back will tell us all we need to know. 

Cam is not coming back to his former self, some of you are delusional, those days are gone. The best we can hope for is Allen is our future and we can dump Cam and his contract. 

The best we can hope for is Tepper blows up this dumpster before it turns into a dumpster fire.

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29 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

The best we can hope for is Tepper blows up this dumpster before it turns into a dumpster fire.

Tepper came out and said he still is happy with Allen and what he's seen. He's not an idiot and realize the possibilities and contract flexibility Allen brings over Cam. Therefore, there is reason to hope Allen turns out OK. I think Tepper knows Cam is done as well. 

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6 minutes ago, App Panther said:

Tepper came out and said he still is happy with Allen and what he's seen. He's not an idiot and realize the possibilities and contract flexibility Allen brings over Cam. Therefore, there is reason to hope Allen turns out OK. I think Tepper knows Cam is done as well. 

So..you saying Cam is definitely done because Allen's possibilities... make him more valuable than a healthy Cam Newton after he recovers from his foot injury and another year removed from his shoulder surgery.  Even though it's even more viable to believe that Allen is just the new insert Fitzmagic, Matt Moore,  Matt Flynn, as he has looked progressively worse as more film has been made available.

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2 hours ago, App Panther said:

If/How he bounces back will tell us all we need to know. 

Cam is not coming back to his former self, some of you are delusional, those days are gone. The best we can hope for is Allen is our future and we can dump Cam and his contract. 

This post tells me what I need to know about the point of this thread

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2 hours ago, App Panther said:

Tepper came out and said he still is happy with Allen and what he's seen. He's not an idiot and realize the possibilities and contract flexibility Allen brings over Cam. Therefore, there is reason to hope Allen turns out OK. I think Tepper knows Cam is done as well. 

Dude he sucks. All major scouts know it. Let it go.

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Kyle Allen played well today. Especially after the debacle last week.  But for me to be convinced he could be the future, he will need to improve on a somewhat consistent basis and prove he can do it during crunch time.  And do it this season and next.  Of course, he needs some help from the Oline.  

 

That being said, I do wonder if the team will be willing to go into next season hoping Kyle Allen is the future.  If we do get a new coach, and Cam doesn't appear to be able to get healthy, we may just role with Kyle, and if he doesn't work out, pick a qb in the 2021 draft.  

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2 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

That being said, I do wonder if the team will be willing to go into next season hoping Kyle Allen is the future.  If we do get a new coach, and Cam doesn't appear to be able to get healthy, we may just role with Kyle, and if he doesn't work out, pick a qb in the 2021 draft.  

he is such a cheap option, yeah, I could see him rolling into camp in competition for starter, with the new management deciding on if they want to bring in a vet backup too.  I think that is wise either way, but might cause us to carry 3 QBs on the roster if Grier shows some improvement but Allen holds as the best option for a starter

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18 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

he is such a cheap option, yeah, I could see him rolling into camp in competition for starter, with the new management deciding on if they want to bring in a vet backup too.  I think that is wise either way, but might cause us to carry 3 QBs on the roster if Grier shows some improvement but Allen holds as the best option for a starter

Disappointed you came to that conclusion..  yet he definitely deserves to roll into cam competing for the job. I feel your riding on this weeks high when we have seen him regress most weeks. I dunno the upside of him playing like today just isn't sustainable.

Even the his deep ball to moore he had to slow down and come back 2. Even if he he cheaper that isn't normally the best way to go. I still see him in the backup/game manger area. I'm not ready to turn the keys over to that.

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19 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Disappointed you came to that conclusion..  yet he definitely deserves to roll into cam competing for the job. I feel your riding on this weeks high when we have seen him regress most weeks. I dunno the upside of him playing like today just isn't sustainable.

Even the his deep ball to moore he had to slow down and come back 2. Even if he he cheaper that isn't normally the best way to go. I still see him in the backup/game manger area. I'm not ready to turn the keys over to that.

Sorry, my post presupposes a future if new management doesn't keep Cam.  I was responding directly to DDII's scenario. 

I don't think he is competition for a healthy Cam on the team.  He just shifts back to being the backup, then.  I hope that is what happens... I was just following the scenario.   Allen is so cheap, he is on the roster either way next year.

I think if you are gearing up for a rebuild, and you've decided to move on from Cam (this would only happen due to health concerns), bringing in someone to compete with the young guys in camp makes sense. But I don't see think it is a good idea to try to bring in an expensive FA guaranteeing them to start given a likely rebuild. 

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On 11/18/2019 at 11:13 AM, KillerKat said:

Problem is people are too damn reactionary and need to be the first to claim something. Also, too many bigots around here have their own agenda.

Good point, I thought we should just play him till the end of the season and only then draw conclusions.   This is his rookie year basically.

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I just don’t understand why there’s so much over-reaction about Kyle Allen. On either end. Respected folks like Josh Norris are losing their mind over this thing.

And I don’t understand why. What, because of fans? Fans are going to talk like fans talk. I just don’t understand the outrage over the whole issue. He’s come in, he’s done some good things, he’s done some not so good things, and here we are.

Everybody’s all piss and vinegar about the issue on Twitter. It’s ridiculous. Nobody with any credibility ever said Kyle Allen was a replacement plan for Cam Newton. But some people on Twitter just keep obsessing over it. 

I swear, it’s nauseating. 

I get it: Cam Newton is far superior to Kyle Allen. #NoShit 

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