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Bucs release 2016 1st round pick Vernon Hargreaves

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Just now, thefuzz said:

No doubt, I'm not saying not to do it, but this years cap numbers do go with him.

 

Yeah but that's like 4.5 mil. We have something like 14 mil in cap space available.

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Hargreaves was one of my favorite CB prospects coming out the draft. Never lived up to the hype but early this year, he showed some big improvements. I hope the Panthers claim him but he won’t last long. Probably be in Cincinnati, Miami or somewhere soon.

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Just now, Forty-Eight said:

Hargreaves was one of my favorite CB prospects coming out the draft. Never lived up to the hype but early this year, he showed some big improvements. I hope the Panthers claim him but he won’t last long. Probably be in Cincinnati, Miami or somewhere soon.

Forty-Eight is Chuck confirmed

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6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but that's like 4.5 mil. We have something like 14 mil in cap space available.

Yeah but keep in mind you can now roll cap space forward, so every dollar we spend this year on a player is one less dollar that can be used next year towards CMC's signing. Cap space is no longer use it or lose it year to year.

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25 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

Difference is McCoy was once good and is still productive, Vernon's never been good. 

He was their best CB (not saying much) earlier in the season.

They cut McCoy because of drop off in production and lack of effort / not being as disruptive. They are saying similar things about Hargreaves.

I wouldn’t blame a player for being disgruntled with the dumpster fire down in Tampa.

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5 minutes ago, Forty-Eight said:

I’m confused 

Pretty sure he's implying you are the alt of a previously banned poster named Chuck.

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Just now, 1of10Charnatives said:

Pretty sure he's implying you are the alt of a previously banned poster named Chuck.

I really hope my name isn’t Chuck. That reminds me of some old TV show that NBC used to air when I was growing up

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2 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

He was their best CB (not saying much) earlier in the season.

They cut McCoy because of drop off in production and lack of effort / not being as disruptive. They are saying similar things about Hargreaves.

I wouldn’t blame a player for being disgruntled with the dumpster fire down in Tampa.

True, but in a league where every game is on tape and only the best players wind up playing their entire career with a single team, your motivation as a player has to be to market yourself for future employers even if you aren't happy with the situation where you are. There are perfectly good reasons in the NFL to play lights out if you can even if your team blows chunks and is going nowhere. When a player doesn't, imo that is a major red flag.

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19 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Forty-Eight is Chuck confirmed

Been confirmed for a few weeks

 

among his tangents not liking Samuel's.  The same thing he did few months back when he was freaking wanting to draft N'keal Harry 

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11 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

True, but in a league where every game is on tape and only the best players wind up playing their entire career with a single team, your motivation as a player has to be to market yourself for future employers even if you aren't happy with the situation where you are. There are perfectly good reasons in the NFL to play lights out if you can even if your team blows chunks and is going nowhere. When a player doesn't, imo that is a major red flag.

That entire secondary is bad and he was one of the better players on that unit. 
 

The Bucs cut McCoy because they thought he wasn’t playing well and had slowed down but as well all can see they were very wrong about that.

There is a very good chance they made another dumb decision with Hargreaves and he can still become a very productive player for another team.(hopefully the Panthers)

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12 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Been confirmed for a few weeks

 

among his tangents not liking Samuel's.  The same thing he did few months back when he was freaking wanting to draft N'keal Harry 

Buddy, you have a serious issue. Me not liking Samuel and disagreeing with you makes me some random stupid guy you know. I hated Harry just so you know. Brown was my top wr in the draft.

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2 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

That entire secondary is bad and he was one of the better players on that unit. 
 

The Bucs cut McCoy because they thought he wasn’t playing well and had slowed down but as well all can see they were very wrong about that.

There is a very good chance they made another dumb decision with Hargreaves and he can still become a very productive player for another team.(hopefully the Panthers)

Not saying it's not possible Hargreaves couldn't be good for someone else, just saying that how willing I am to find out depends on the cost of having him play for us, and especially considering how every dollar we spend on anybody this season is dollar less we have available to pay CMC or other players down the road, I'd think long and hard about whether it's worth whatever it costs. We are all used to thinking of cap space as a use it or lose it asset year to year because until recently that's what it's always been, but we need to adjust our thinking now. Is bringing Hargreaves in to find out if he can be good and the problem was just the team he was on worth having less to pay other players next year?

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