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About this Cam Newton leaving talk...

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7 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

You are assuming that he would be willing to play on a one year deal.  Even if he did you are then assuming he would sign a long term deal with incentives to offset the injury risk.

What if these are your choices?

Sign Cam this offseason to a 5yr/150m deal with $70m guaranteed or trade him for a 1st and 3rd.

I mean, neither of those is going to happen....but I'll take the trade.

That said, until we know if Cam wants to stay here and continue to play football, all of this is moot.  For him to be a Panther next season, he will need to get healthy, stay healthy, and play out his current contract.

I do not believe these three things will happen.

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OP keeps saying if there’s a chance. Of course there’s a chance he will... and there’s a chance he won’t. There’s also a chance he’s healthy in 2020 and then gets injured again. 
 

How much are you willing to give a guy with a injury history like Cam?

NOT end of discussion

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Cam Is better off pulling a dak, bet on yourself, his agent and him know there’s absolutely no reason to give him an extension based off the last two seasons.

a gamble for both sides is the best result.

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2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

And if he's not willing to play on what's essentially a one year "prove it" deal, then what?

What can he say? Until he proves it he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

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4 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

What can he say? Until he proves it he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

All it takes is for one other team to be willing to offer him more than what we're paying him or more than one year.

Keeping in mind we had a report that at least 10 teams were willing to trade for him despite his injury status earlier this year, are you absolutely positive there's not a single one out of 31 other teams that would be willing to do that?

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1 hour ago, Rastlet said:

You guys are nuts if you want Hurney to trade up for a QB. The idiot had Grier way over valued so why does anyone have any confidence Hurney knows what he is doing when it comes to evaluating QB's.

Well you know, he did also draft Cam and that was no sure thing.

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2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Are you willing to give him an extension?

(that's what it may well take)

If so, how much?

Yep. Too many people live in the past when it comes to cam. Signing him to an extention means you think he will be a healthy and reliable qb for the nect 4 years that can bring the same skillset to the team that he brought 5 years ago. 

Can he stay healthy?

Can he still run the ball effectuvely mow that he has lost 30 pounds of muscle?

Can he improve his accuracy to make up for not being able to run?

What cam did in the past is irrelevant... what can cam do in the future is what you ask yourself before crippling your franchise on a qb that had been ridden into the ground. 

 

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2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Theres no way in hell Cam sits out next year. He has to play at least 6 games to accrue a season, so if he sits out he will still be under contract. You let him play on his current contract and work on an extension during the season if he is truly healthy

The Panthers are not going to let 21 million in cap space be taken up... I’m sure last years Steelers sure could of used the Bell tag money... If a hold out is commenced, Cam is gone... the Panthers are not going to hold on to a guy who refuses to go to camp and shows up week 1 rusty...

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We all know 2015 healthy cam is>>>>>>>> Kyle Allen. I’m not convinced 31 year old healthy cam is going to be as powerful a runner... if Kyle Allen plays for 500k and cam is risky... why would you not spend a mid- top 10 pick on the defensive line and the $20 million you now freed up on O-line? My point is Cam Newton will not be 21 million better then KA next year... you might even be able to fetch a Guard for him... if KA sucks BADLY, Trevor Lawerence is available...

Cam at 50% will have us at 6-10... Kyle Allen is going to boom or bust next year... him starting is our best chance at a SB or #1 overall...

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There are a couple of things I must me missing according to the resident experts.

Why would Tepper not play hardball in this? He has paid him around 40 million for about 5 decent games. 6? Not a bunch. And has him under contract.

Somebody please explain to me where his leverage is, to not play out his deal, to force us into trading him for less that a healthy Cam Newton would command? I'd really not want to let him go out of friendship or something if I were Tepper, and I would not want to be made a jerk of in a deal where I sell him cheap and he blows up with another team.

If he does hold out and come in for 6 games it is past the trade deadline. We probably won't be behooved to play him if he has made it an adversarial relationship by refusing to report, and he will be in the same boat as far as his value because he will not have proven anything by not playing.

And we have the tag to hold over him as well. (edit: meaning we can still trade him cheap in 2021 if we end up in worst case).

 

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2 hours ago, mav1234 said:

1) Allen has nothing to do with whether we keep Cam or not IMO.

which brings me to...

2)  The only reason we wouldn't retain Cam is if he isn't healthy at all, or if he may be healthy but refuses to play out his contract... When was the last time Cam finished a season as a top 5  - or really top 10 - QB?  2015.... that is a long time ago... 2016 was not a great year, and we all know how it went after that.  I don't know how you can give Cam an extension when he hasn't played healthy through a season in years - perhaps Cam would take an extremely team-friendly extension but I kind of doubt it. 

Even still.. he masked a lot of serious problems with this team. Things that wont show up on the stat sheet. How truly bad the offensive line is and our redzone inability to finish games off on 4th and 1.. Cam has just has more ability to put us in a better position to win games and elevate the rest of this average roster.

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3 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

We all know 2015 healthy cam is>>>>>>>> Kyle Allen. I’m not convinced 31 year old healthy cam is going to be as powerful a runner... if Kyle Allen plays for 500k and cam is risky... why would you not spend a mid- top 10 pick on the defensive line and the $20 million you now freed up on O-line? My point is Cam Newton will not be 21 million better then KA next year... you might even be able to fetch a Guard for him... if KA sucks BADLY, Trevor Lawerence is available...

Cam at 50% will have us at 6-10... Kyle Allen is going to boom or bust next year... him starting is our best chance at a SB or #1 overall...

psssst..start of 2018 cam was better than Allen and most of the league as well.. people leave that out.

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2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

psssst..start of 2018 cam was better than Allen and most of the league as well.. people leave that out.

But the start of 2018 is where you are living. Health is a huge variable you seem to be ignoring, or assuming.

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You people don't know Cam Newton. He will not sit out. Flame me if I'm wrong but that is not in his character from anything I've seen in 9yrs. He may dress oddly but he has been a high character guy despite how the media portrays him. You have to be supremely confident to be what Cam is. Hero ball best describes him.

He will play at a VERY high level again. I wouldn't bet against him.

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3 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

You people don't know Cam Newton. He will not sit out. Flame me if I'm wrong but that is not in his character from anything I've seen in 9yrs. He may dress oddly but he has been a high character guy despite how the media portrays him. You have to be supremely confident to be what Cam is. Hero ball best describes him.

He will play at a VERY high level again. I wouldn't bet against him.

I don't disagree with you about him wanting to play and prove it but if he has gotten pissed at the organization that would be a different thing.

 

I think the smart thing for him to do, from his viewpoint, is play and prove it.

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