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About this Cam Newton leaving talk...

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4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

My own thoughts are basically what I've been told by people with inside knowledge. Newton wants an extension and the Panthers won't give him one.

Unless one side of the other gives in, they're headed for a divorce.

"...what I've been told by people with inside knowledge."

No legitimate NFL scribe, local or otherwise, has reported that Cam "wants an extension" and will not play if "the Panthers won't give him one".

Who are your "people"?  By definition you are saying you have more than 1 person reporting this information to you. 

Do these "people" work directly for Marty Hurney? 

Seems odd multiple "people" within the Panthers organization would know AND leak to you that Cam and the team are "headed for a divorce" yet this hasn't been reported in any way by a legitimate NFL scribe.

Did you simply make all this up?

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23 hours ago, PhillyB said:

the extension isn't a big deal. he doesn't have much leverage right now as the market will probably also only offer him prove-it deals.

wrangling up a two or three year deal that's backloaded and heavily incentivized without an abundance of guaranteed money gives him the chance to get paid if he's able to perform and the team the ability to trade or cut him if one or both parties decide that's how they want to go.

Personally I think the extension is a huge deal, and honestly  he has more leverage than people think.  Contractually he might not, but there other ways to create leverage.   Players in multiple sports are showing that more and more.  He can easily say "if you don't sign me to an extension now there is no way I'm resigning the following year."  At that point you stand the chance of losing him for nothing. Not to mention I'm not sure if you want an ugly contract situation with your franchise QB.

Also he would be crazy to take short term prove it deals, not to mention his agent wouldn't' be doing his job.

If he fully expects to be healthy he has every right to expect a contract comparable to other top QBs.  If he has any doubt that he is going to be healthy, then that is even more reason to find a team willing to give a longer t3erm deal with guaranteed money.  Why would you take a one year deal to prove you aren't healthy?  This might be his last chance to get a big contract.

This is one of those situations where both sides might be right.  I can't blame Cam for looking for a contract that is comparable to other top QBs, but I also can't blame the team for not wanting to pay that.

When it is all said it done, my best guess is they trade him this offseason.  The team will probably get less in trade value then a lot on here think.  Also his next contract will probably be less than he is wanting but still more than we are willing to pay.

On a side note, I find it interesting that a lot of the people on here that are Cam fanboys and quick to defend him in every situation are also quick to suggest that he should play out his contract on basically a one year deal or to accept a lot of stipulations in his next contract.  I guess it is convenient to champion a cause when it lines up with your wants.

If Aaron Rogers or Drew Brees got hurt the year before their contract year they would still expect to negotiate as if they were top QBs in the league.  Especially if the medical prognosis was full recovery.

 

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On 12/7/2019 at 12:52 PM, Mr. Scot said:

You assume he's willing to do that, and further assume his agent is willing to let that happen.

If I'm his agent, my answer to anyone asking him to play out this next season as a "prove it" year involves telling them to jam something in a certain orifice.

 

this makes zero sense. he's under contract next year.  holding out when you've been injured for two seasons is a "power move" of the dumbest order.  i usually agree with your points, but don't quit your day job to be an agent.

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4 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

this makes zero sense. he's under contract next year.  holding out when you've been injured for two seasons is a "power move" of the dumbest order.  i usually agree with your points, but don't quit your day job to be an agent.

You think a good agent would tell him "just play out this next year, and don't worry that an injury might screw your chances of getting another contract"?

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think a good agent would tell him "just play out this next year, and don't worry that an injury might screw your chances of getting another contract"?

yes, because holding out is admitting he's not healthy, isn't confident he will make it through the season, or acknowledging he will never return to form.  after 6 games, you start the extension talk if he's back to old form.  what kind of offer is he going to get by holding out without showing anything on film for a year and a half?

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1 minute ago, billionairemonk said:

yes, because holding out is admitting he's not healthy, isn't confident he will make it through the season, or acknowledging he will never return to form.  after 6 games, you start the extension talk if he's back to old form.  what kind of offer is he going to get by holding out without showing anything on film for a year and a half?

That's a very good scenario for the team.

For Newton, not so much.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a very good scenario for the team.

For Newton, not so much.

absolutely, i like cam and hope he comes back to mvp form; but he has zero leverage right now and the entire league knows it. 

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7 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

absolutely, i like cam and hope he comes back to mvp form; but he has zero leverage right now and the entire league knows it. 

Back at midseason, the word was there were at least ten teams that were willing to trade for him. Since then, he's done nothing to change anyone's perception of him. 

As far as the league is concerned, he's taking his time to fully heal. In fact, he recently announced to basically the entire league that he was having surgery and would be healthy as of March.

And now you have a leak, which likely as not comes from the team, saying "we're willing to trade him, but we want a good price and we'll keep him if we don't get one". That's a step right out of the standard "trying to trade a player" handbook.

Like I said, a lot of things can happen, but I definitely see things leaning against his being here next year.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

And now you have a leak, which likely as not comes from the team, saying "we're willing to trade him, but we want a good price and we'll keep him if we don't get one". That's a step right out of the standard "trying to trade a player" handbook.

yes, it seems the team thinks there is a slim chance he returns to form. 

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16 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Do you think it’s possible he went vegan for anti inflammatory purposes for his shoulder? 

imagine thinking that eating vegetables containing glyphosate and processed soy products reduces inflammation 

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Just now, billionairemonk said:

imagine thinking that eating vegetables containing glyphosate and processed soy products reduces inflammation 

@Jeremy Igo did I not read correctly vegan diets have anti inflammatory purposes? I’m not vegan that’s why I’m asking.  

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If we can get a first round+ pick for him then I would say take it.  Let him go and prove himself somewhere else.  We have a lot of holes to fill and have a couple of extra low round picks would help a lot in the long run. 

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31 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

imagine thinking that eating vegetables containing glyphosate and processed soy products reduces inflammation 

Not about reducing it, it’s about preventing it. Staying away from meats will help.

And if you have enough money to pay chefs and dieticians to make your meals so you get enough micros with vegan meals, you’re good.

That said your progress won’t be as fast if the goal is to get stronger and faster, it just won’t. Healthier, better, possible for you etc sure, but not as quick.

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On 12/7/2019 at 12:18 PM, Doc Holiday said:

If Cam has any chance at all to return to being the Cam we know and love and we let him walk or trade him away. 
 

It would be the single biggest mistake in this teams History.
 

Even if you want to draft his eventual replacement this year, it would still be a massive mistake. I thought everyone watching Allen this year would remind y’all how rare of a talent Cam is when healthy. But apparently not. I wonder who saw the rollercoaster that is Allen coming this season? I wonder who said Remember Matt Moore? Don’t shoot yourself in the foot trying to get something when you already have something better on the roster. Cam when healthy is a top 10 if not too 5 QB in this league and that is rare enough that you don’t let him go when there is a chance for him to return to form.

end of discussion!

Lol..

There is no "drafting " his replacement this year...unless we give up waymiore than Cam

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