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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Here is the thing that makes it dicey.  What if Brady/rhule hone in on a qb this draft to get the party started?  When and how can Cam show he is good to go?  As I said all along, the timing on a lot of things (contract, surgery, draft) make this a total clustereff in regards of what exactly to do with Cam.  I think in the end all parties agree to cut ties and cam goes to Chicago.  My two cents. 

 

On an opinion level I think he is done.  He isnt going to run like he did and I have major concerns about the shoulder.   The NFL let him take too many unnecessary shots in the past few years.

Hoping your wrong about that last part, afraid you're right. With regards to the first part, I mean I personally am not excited about any of the qb's not named Burrow in this draft, granted since I don't follow college ball all that closely, what do I know? But that has no real bearing on whether the decision makers do. I'm inclined to say Rhule shouldn't necessarily be telling Hurney he's got to have a qb right this second, but for all I know, he might, or he might be really high on someone who will be there at 7 or beyond. With regards to Cam going to Chicago:

Why would they cut him if Chicago is willing to give up anything in exchange for him? If Chicago isn't willing, is it really so imperative to play your rookie qb behind a godawful oline rather than let him sit for a year behinid your established vet showcasing his skills to the league? I could see a scenario in which they do draft a qb, sit him, let Cam play and go from there, with everybody on the same page that Cam is effectively showcasing himself to the rest of the league. That's a potential win win, except that if I'm Cam, I'm really gonna want them to have done everything they can to fix that line, but hey, that's not his call, right?

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2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Hoping your wrong about that last part, afraid you're right. With regards to the first part, I mean I personally am not excited about any of the qb's not named Burrow in this draft, granted since I don't follow college ball all that closely, what do I know? But that has no real bearing on whether the decision makers do. I'm inclined to say Rhule shouldn't necessarily be telling Hurney he's got to have a qb right this second, but for all I know, he might, or he might be really high on someone who will be there at 7 or beyond. With regards to Cam going to Chicago:

Why would they cut him if Chicago is willing to give up anything in exchange for him? If Chicago isn't willing, is it really so imperative to play your rookie qb behind a godawful oline rather than let him sit for a year behinid your established vet showcasing his skills to the league? I could see a scenario in which they do draft a qb, sit him, let Cam play and go from there, with everybody on the same page that Cam is effectively showcasing himself to the rest of the league. That's a potential win win, except that if I'm Cam, I'm really gonna want them to have done everything they can to fix that line, but hey, that's not his call, right?

Thats all fine and good if............Cam plays out his deal.  Which I dont think he will.  If he wants to go to Chicago see if we could get a 2nd for him but that is only after talking to the Raiders.  But again how is anyone going to know if he is healthy?  Like I said the timing is crappy for everyone.

 

I think Rhule and Co are going to target a qb in the second.  I dont think Marty is going to be anywhere near picking this draft.

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats all fine and good if............Cam plays out his deal.  Which I dont think he will.  If he wants to go to Chicago see if we could get a 2nd for him but that is only after talking to the Raiders.  But again how is anyone going to know if he is healthy?  Like I said the timing is crappy for everyone.

 

I think Rhule and Co are going to target a qb in the second.  I dont think Marty is going to be anywhere near picking this draft.

See I don't think anybody wants to give up anything worth a poo for him until they see what he's still got. I think as much as anything that drives him playing for us. I think Cam really has no choice but to play for us next year if he wants to continue to play football. I mean, what are his options otherwise? If he sits out the whole year, isn't he still under contract with us? I don't know for sure, but I don't think sitting on the sideline gets you out of a contract. I mean I understand why he wants an extension, but I want a date with Olivia Munn, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Now if I'm wrong and Chicago or the Raiders are willing to give up a 2nd to take a gamble on him, maybe the Panthers do let him go for that. I could see that working from their end if they really felt he wasn't in their long term plans. I just think if you're the Panthers and you have him now, even if the odds are a bit long, you see what he's got left before you let him go, because if he's able, then you just solved your single biggest problem right there without spending a single draft pick. That's too much of an upside to ignore, if even it's unlikely.

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8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats all fine and good if............Cam plays out his deal.  Which I dont think he will.  If he wants to go to Chicago see if we could get a 2nd for him but that is only after talking to the Raiders.  But again how is anyone going to know if he is healthy?  Like I said the timing is crappy for everyone.

 

I think Rhule and Co are going to target a qb in the second.  I dont think Marty is going to be anywhere near picking this draft.

What makes you so sure Cam doesn't finish out his current deal? In what possible way does signing an extension with this team or another team before this season benefit Cam? Whereas, if he plays on his current deal and has a really good year and proves to whatever team hes on that he can still play he'd make a ton more money. And with the type of guy Cam is I guarantee you he bets on himself this year. Because he doesn't believe "hes done" or he "can't play" anymore

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1 minute ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What makes you so sure Cam doesn't finish out his current deal? In what possible way does signing an extension with this team or another team before this season benefit Cam? Whereas, if he plays on his current deal and has a really good year and proves to whatever team hes on that he can still play he'd make a ton more money. And with the type of guy Cam is I guarantee you he bets on himself this year. Because he doesn't believe "hes done" or he "can't play" anymore

Maybe he is still hurt and doesnt want to risk it. 

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Maybe he is still hurt and doesnt want to risk it. 

Maybe and that's always possible but why not just retire at that point? Cam is already pretty well set he doesn't NEED football to be financially stable anymore. If Cam truly felt like he couldn't play I think he'd retire rather than trying to milk out whatever contract gets thrown his way

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40 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Here's the thing about this situation. I don't think the Panthers stance is any different than any other team in the league. I don't think any team would give a qb with Cam's injury history a 30 plus mill per year extension without knowing what they have. Thus I think if Cam's position truly is that he wants to be extended before playing again, he's probably SOL not just with us, but with anybody. That leaves him two choices that I can see, come back and see if he can prove his health and effectiveness next year, which will earn him a new contract whether it be with us or elsewhere, or retire. 

I don't think Cam needs the money, but I don't see him walking away from the game at this point. He could but I'd be surprised if he did.  I see him playing out the last year of his contract as the only path to continuing his career, whether that be with us or elsewhere.

The scenario you're describing is basically what happened with Steve Smith, but two years later we were in the Super Bowl and he never even got close.

And honestly, the same thing has happened with guys like Joe Montana, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice and numerous others. All their franchises survived.

Bottom line for me: If we wind up trading  or cutting Cam Newton, I'll be okay with it.

If we wind up keeping him on the final year of his deal as a "prove it" season, I'll be okay with that too, and also with whatever results that season yields.

The only scenario that I feel would be absolutely the wrong move right now would be doing any kind of extension, especially one for big money. That'd be the Jake Delhomme contract part two, and quite possibly worse.

(the fact that we inexplicably still employ the author of that contract does make me a tad nervous)

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3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://www.panthers.com/news/david-tepper-interview-transcript-ron-rivera-head-coach

"By the way, the last time I looked, there's three quarterbacks on this team. Kyle Allen, who you've seen a lot of, still young. Wil Grier, who hasn't been in yet, who we're developing in a very traditional way, who may be very good at some point, and Cam Newton. So, there's a lot of possibilities here for somebody to look at if they want to come here, and we're not weighed down by $36 million a year mistakes right now."

 

Pretty crystal clear how he feels about a mega contract in regards to building a team

Please don't ignore the entire quote.

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"I don't know, because I haven't talked to that new coach yet. But listen, if I'm a coach, what will I look at? You may say that a coach is going to look for the best quarterback around, so that's where you're going with that question. Well, look, I mean, hopefully Cam's healthy. I frankly don't know, and neither does Cam right now. By the way, the last time I looked, there's three quarterbacks on this team. Kyle Allen, who you've seen a lot of, still young. Wil Grier, who hasn't been in yet, who we're developing in a very traditional way, who may be very good at some point, and Cam Newton. So, there's a lot of possibilities here for somebody to look at if they want to come here, and we're not weighed down by $36 million a year mistakes right now."

He clearly wants to make sure he is healthy before committing the money.

Tepper literally states "all options are on the table".  Paying Cam is an option.  Therefor, its on the table.

 

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$36 million a year mistakes

5 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Please don't ignore the entire quote.

He clearly wants to make sure he is healthy before committing the money.

Tepper literally states "all options are on the table".  Paying Cam is an option.  Therefor, its on the table.

 

How do you explain the "$36 million a year mistakes" comment.  What is the "mistake" he is referring to?

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Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

How do you explain the "$36 million a year mistakes" comment.  What is the "mistake" he is referring to?

Paying Cam before knowing if he is healthy or not?

 

 

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59 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Here's the thing about this situation. I don't think the Panthers stance is any different than any other team in the league. I don't think any team would give a qb with Cam's injury history a 30 plus mill per year extension without knowing what they have. Thus I think if Cam's position truly is that he wants to be extended before playing again, he's probably SOL not just with us, but with anybody. That leaves him two choices that I can see, come back and see if he can prove his health and effectiveness next year, which will earn him a new contract whether it be with us or elsewhere, or retire. 

I don't think Cam needs the money, but I don't see him walking away from the game at this point. He could but I'd be surprised if he did.  I see him playing out the last year of his contract as the only path to continuing his career, whether that be with us or elsewhere.

This sums it up beautifully.

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I agree lets wait and see if Cam can actually play again.  No need to ever pick a QB.  Cam will be fine.

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On 1/24/2020 at 7:00 AM, chknwing said:

The draft picks carolina gets by trading him will help them win a superbowl.  : )

Stfu

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On 1/25/2020 at 1:41 PM, 1of10Charnatives said:

come back and see if he can prove his health and effectiveness next year, which will earn him a new contract whether it be with us or elsewhere, or retire

I just can't imagine how either side can't see that this is the RIGHT CHOICE for *both* sides.  Cam's current salary isn't a terrible burden on the team so if he's healthy, not bringing him back would be an INSANE choice by coaching/management.  On the flip side, if the team makes it clear that they want him back and Cam "holds out" thinking that another team is going to walk in and give him an insane contract that, also, is insanity.

The only wild card in this rationale is if there actually *is* an insane team prepared to offer Cam big, big money to play for them, no health questions asked.  I find it hard to believe that such a team exists but... how much is it worth to the "Las Vegas" Raiders to have a big time draw like Cam in their first year?  Could they be that team?  That's the only logical wild card I can come up with.

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36 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I just can't imagine how either side can't see that this is the RIGHT CHOICE for *both* sides.  Cam's current salary isn't a terrible burden on the team so if he's healthy, not bringing him back would be an INSANE choice by coaching/management.  On the flip side, if the team makes it clear that they want him back and Cam "holds out" thinking that another team is going to walk in and give him an insane contract that, also, is insanity.

The only wild card in this rationale is if there actually *is* an insane team prepared to offer Cam big, big money to play for them, no health questions asked.  I find it hard to believe that such a team exists but... how much is it worth to the "Las Vegas" Raiders to have a big time draw like Cam in their first year?  Could they be that team?  That's the only logical wild card I can come up with.

Holding out would be a huge mistake for Cam.  He needs to get on the field and prove that he still has it.  Plus holding out does nothing for Cam cause he would still be under contract with the team unless he plays 6 games.  The only way Cam is not on this team is if the Panthers want to move on from him.

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