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1of10Charnatives

Anyone here have experience with statistical hypothesis testing?

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5 hours ago, 4Corners said:

I do. I am probably a bit rusty since a most of my work does not involve this sort of detail. However, you have proved time and time again to disregard facts and have personally insulted me several times so I will not be offering you any help. Are you one of those dook fans who didn’t go to dook?

cheers! 

I would wager at least half of your posts on any given thread are just personal insults as I just pointed out in another thread before scrolling down and seeing this one... 

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7 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Do you remember how big a sample size is needed? I think there’s about 8 to 10 guys you could use as a sample, but I don’t recall what the necessary threshold for statistical significance would be.

Hundreds of data points.  Any less and wouldn't be significant.  I don't have a program to run the data either.  Plus I would be super rusty...last used about 18-years ago in grad school.

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So since sample size has come up several times, let's discuss how many players are involved in the discussion to collect data points.  I will just start naming names going by division and anyone feel free to add or subtract any of the names.  I will name some iffy guys to spark discussion of criteria.

NFC South - Cam Newton, Mike Vick, Aaron Brooks

NFC North - Daunte Culpepper, Mitch Trubisky, Bobby Douglass, Fran Tarkenton

NFC East - Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, Robert Griffin

NFC West - Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray

AFC South - DeShaun Watson, Marcus Mariota, Andrew Luck, Blake Bortles, Mark Brunell, David Garrard, Vince Young, Steve McNair

AFC North - Lamar Jackson, Kordell Stewart, Jeff Blake

AFC East - Tyrod Taylor, Doug Flutie, Ryan Tannehill

AFC West - Patrick Mahomes, Alex Smith, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Rich Gannon

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1 minute ago, Wes21 said:

So since sample size has come up several times, let's discuss how many players are involved in the discussion to collect data points.  I will just start naming names going by division and anyone feel free to add or subtract any of the names.  I will name some iffy guys to spark discussion of criteria.

NFC South - Cam Newton, Mike Vick, Aaron Brooks

NFC North - Daunte Culpepper, Mitch Trubisky, Bobby Douglass, Fran Tarkenton

NFC East - Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, Robert Griffin

NFC West - Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray

AFC South - DeShaun Watson, Marcus Mariota, Andrew Luck, Blake Bortles, Mark Brunell, David Garrard, Vince Young, Steve McNair

AFC North - Lamar Jackson, Kordell Stewart, Jeff Blake

AFC East - Tyrod Taylor, Doug Flutie, Ryan Tannehill

AFC West - Patrick Mahomes, Alex Smith, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Rich Gannon

Since we need to look at a completed career with data points after age 30, a lot of these guy are out.

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2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Since we need to look at a completed career with data points after age 30, a lot of these guy are out.

So that narrows it down quite a bit...

NFC South - Mike Vick

NFC North - Daunte Culpepper, Fran Tarkenton

NFC East - Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb,

NFC West - Russell Wilson

AFC South - Mark Brunell, Steve McNair

AFC North - Kordell Stewart, Jeff Blake

AFC East - Doug Flutie

AFC West - Alex Smith, Rich Gannon

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3 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

Cat meet kettle  hahaha

I'm not sure if he meant pot, or if he actually meant cat. Either way, amazing.

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On 2/5/2020 at 10:31 AM, 1of10Charnatives said:

I’ve got a question I wanna look at using hypothesis testing but although I had some exposure to it for my degree that was many moons ago and tbh my grade in business statistics reflected that it was one of the subjects I had the weakest grasp of any I studied. If anybody’s even decent at that stuff I could use a hand not screwing it up. Post here or pm me.

Oh and before you ask the question relates to running qb’s as they age, so not remotely relevant to the Panthers.

I had it in 2004 or so when I was in school--I now chair autoethnographic and phenomenological dissertations because I do not remember a bit of that stuff--to get through the class, I studied 20 hours per week.  It was the only class I took that semester (worked full time, but normally, I had 6 hours).  I remembered nothing.  If you have the SPSS software (I think you can download an older version for free--at least you could at one time), it may help.

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14 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Hundreds of data points.  Any less and wouldn't be significant.  I don't have a program to run the data either.  Plus I would be super rusty...last used about 18-years ago in grad school.

That is what I was thinking--variables are too numerous.  If it could be reduced to a formula, the draft success rate would be so much higher.   It is almost as pointless as alchemy. 

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3 hours ago, Wes21 said:

So that narrows it down quite a bit...

NFC South - Mike Vick

NFC North - Daunte Culpepper, Fran Tarkenton

NFC East - Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb,

NFC West - Russell Wilson

AFC South - Mark Brunell, Steve McNair

AFC North - Kordell Stewart, Jeff Blake

AFC East - Doug Flutie

AFC West - Alex Smith, Rich Gannon

Steve Young

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20 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Steve Young

Good catch.  That reminds me of another name...Jeff Garcia.

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5 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Good catch.  That reminds me of another name...Jeff Garcia.

Yep. Maybe throw Aaron Brooks and Daddy Manning in there too. 

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On 2/5/2020 at 10:31 AM, 1of10Charnatives said:

I’ve got a question I wanna look at using hypothesis testing but although I had some exposure to it for my degree that was many moons ago and tbh my grade in business statistics reflected that it was one of the subjects I had the weakest grasp of any I studied. If anybody’s even decent at that stuff I could use a hand not screwing it up. Post here or pm me.

Oh and before you ask the question relates to running qb’s as they age, so not remotely relevant to the Panthers.

A tremendous amount of what you're looking to analyze will depend heavily on the criteria to turn subjective terms into objective and testable data.  From there, do the null hypothesis and see what the numbers bear out.

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