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REPORT: Cam Newton is believed to be healthier

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41 minutes ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

He'll get injured again this season and we won't have to worry about it .. right?

No, he'll ball out in 2020 and then we will pay him.

The problem here is based on a few assumptions that are erroneous in nature:

1.  What you or I think about Cam's future does not matter--the analysis is to attempt to read the tea leaves.  So personal attacks over alternative opinions are stupid.  What is there to suggest Cam is coming back?  (there is an argument--and what you think is not part of it).  What is there to suggest they will trade him?  (If you cannot make that argument, you are too biased).  I could make the argument for both sides--based on facts.  When you use a term like "common sense," may I ask by whose standard? 

2. The team is not obligated to pay Cam $35m if he has a good 2020---should he stay.  Again--not what you or I think---does that fit the plan?  The 7-year contract?  The long-range transformation?  If Cam were to stay in 2020, does that mean he is back?  If so, does that mean a 32-year old 59% passer who can't run as well as he used to is the centerpiece for a rebuild?

You can argue both sides, but if you are unwilling to represent the other side because you think you have cornered the market on "Common Sense" then you have adopted a philosophy that what you think is right and all that oppose your emotions are wrong.  That is bias---it is OK to have it and admit it, but do not call it "common sense."

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19 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Well that just shows you that the stats don't matter with a player like Cam. We went to the superbowl that year. Drew Candyass Brees has a high completion percentage, but he chokes when the game is on the line, so what? 

Cam plays the game to win. You can't critique his passing without understanding the context of his game and consider rushing stats to effect that. Why would Cam throw a 5 yd pass to Devin Funchess on 3rd down when he know's he will drop the ball. Cam has been virtually an automatic conversion on 3rd and short. The smart play has always been for him to rack up those plays himself because it can rarely be stopped. The Panthers have always ran a high risk high reward offense with long developing plays, "set up runs", and minimal safety valve receiving options. It wasn't until Norv came along and that changed, and Cam proved he could be highly effective at it.

The stats say he is a 59% passer    

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Will David "Taco Meat Chest" Tepper keep Cam? Find out next time on "As the Panthers Turn!"

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59% with Funchess and Philly Brown as his WRs. Where are they now? 59% with WRs who can’t get separation and drop the ball when they can’t body catch. 59% with Shula’s run, run, pass predictable offense. 59% with Oher and Remmers protecting him. Bailing out this coaching staff and taking this team to the Super Bowl while winning league MVP in spite of all of these things is pretty remarkable.  Wanting to move on because of injuries and rebuild is one thing, but discrediting what he has accomplished and meant for our franchise is just ridiculous... 

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The stats say he is a 59% passer    

You cannot win with a 59% passer unless you have a dual threat.  If Cam comes back, he will find that, at 31, his running is not as effective as it was in 2015, when he was about 26.  Running backs hit the wall at age 27/28. Cam has been hit an average of 10 times per game---far more than any other QB. He will throw the ball away more and not run as much--he will slide and not bowl over a DB like he once did.  He will get rid of the ball sooner.  If he "stays the same," he will stay injured.  He will become frustrated because his running can't bail him out like it once did.  His arm will not be as lively as it once was.  To me, I think Tepper gets that and is ready to move on.

In other words--he will not be the same player he was at 26.

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2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

59% with Funchess and Philly Brown as his WRs. Where are they now? 59% with WRs who can’t get separation and drop the ball when they can’t body catch. 59% with Shula’s run, run, pass predictable offense. 59% with Oher and Remmers protecting him. Bailing out this coaching staff and taking this team to the Super Bowl while winning league MVP in spite of all of these things is pretty remarkable.  Wanting to move on because of injuries and rebuild is one thing, but discrediting what he has accomplished and meant for our franchise is just ridiculous... 

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6 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

Will David "Taco Meat Chest" Tepper keep Cam? Find out next time on "As the Panthers Turn!"

You bring up a great point--what a soap opera--but only for us.   Tepper knows what he is doing--we don't.  All signs point to a trade--but we shall see.  There is always a twist--and people from SC like you who know Chubby Checker (birthplace) understand a good twist.

I reached for that one. 

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1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

You bring up a great point--what a soap opera--but only for us.   Tepper knows what he is doing--we don't.  All signs point to a trade--but we shall see.  There is always a twist--and people from SC like you who know Chubby Checker (birthplace) understand a good twist.

I reached for that one. 

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This Cam situation is quite similar to Matt Kalil last year. It was always clear we were going to release Matt but many talked themselves into believing we would keep him so we wouldn't have to move Taylor Moton from RT to LT. What makes the most sense, even though many here don't want to believe it, is that we move on from Cam this off-season, it's has to happen.

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2 hours ago, beastson said:

Why would he not be healthy?

Is he off that bullshit vegan diet though?

@Jeremy Igo

 

as soon as he went on that diet he fell apart.  Perhaps its a great diet for a camera man. but it does not bode well for athletes who need to be be at peak performance.  maybe in 10,000 years when our heads are big and we are in zero gravity, it will be different. 

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1 minute ago, mjligon said:

Facts

Facts are.  59%  71-59.   Those are facts.   Twist and make excuses all you want those are the facts

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11 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

You cannot win with a 59% passer unless you have a dual threat.  If Cam comes back, he will find that, at 31, his running is not as effective as it was in 2015, when he was about 26.  Running backs hit the wall at age 27/28. Cam has been hit an average of 10 times per game---far more than any other QB. He will throw the ball away more and not run as much--he will slide and not bowl over a DB like he once did.  He will get rid of the ball sooner.  If he "stays the same," he will stay injured.  He will become frustrated because his running can't bail him out like it once did.  His arm will not be as lively as it once was.  To me, I think Tepper gets that and is ready to move on.

In other words--he will not be the same player he was at 26.

How about 2018 when he was a 68% passer with Norv and CMC as an outlet? 

Running backs take a lot more hits than 10 a game. They're usually making hard contact even when they don't carry the ball. 

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25 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

There's no room for their hard ons because all the reminiscing Cam fans take up all the space dabbing. Cam will never return to MVP form or earlier. Ever. He will have to change into an almost entirely pocket passer, which he can do, but will take away from what he once was. The glory days are over, people. Is he better than a rookie? Yes. Better than most FA scrubs? Yes. Good enough to take an elite team to the SB? Yes. Good enough to take THIS team to a SB? No. We need the 9ers D and an elite Oline to win it all with a "B+ Cam".

There’s like one dude beating the drum consistently in each thread for cam being back, there’s 3-5 posters repeating the same message in every thread. 
 

and to say he will never is asinine, 2018 he was on pace to end the season better than 2015. Ive also said we don’t need mvp cam, just like chiefs didn’t need mvp Mahomes and ravens didn’t need mvp Lamar. We need a team with a set identity and players that show up in big games, a coaching staff that mirrors that also 

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1 minute ago, mjligon said:

Facts

Excuses can be factual.

Here are some facts too: 

  Did you know that Super Bowl you all mention to cite Cam's greatness-The defense had a +20 turnover margin.  That season, the next highest NFL team was +9.  It was a freak year--for the DEFENSE.  A +20 turnover margin is like getting a free possession every game--and 2 free possessions for 4 games.  The defense/special teams scored 5 TDs (30 points) that season.  That helped them lead the league in scoring. In addition, The 2015 Panthers ranked 11th in overall offense (366.9 YPG), first in scoring (31.3 PPG), sixth in overall defense (322.9 YPG), and sixth in points allowed (19.1 PPG).

Cam's passing percentage that year?  59.8%.

Cam was awesome that year--but all teams, all QBs have weak coaches and soft spots on the roster.  The reason Cam was awesome, if I could point to one thing--was the deep ball.  He has not had it for some time.

 

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