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Trading Cam for a 4th round pick to fins?

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2 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Late round comp pick is the minimum (let's call it a compensatory 7th) that upgrades to their mid round pick (say a their 5th) if Newton hits certain benchmarks. And both would likely be for 2021.

Fug that just release him

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shouldnt be signing any high dollar players right now.  this virus is gonna cancel football this year.  no sense in paying players to sit at home and play Phase 10

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2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Doubt anyone wants that 21 million salary when you can wait for him to be released and sign on a 1 year prove it deal for half that 

not when there's other teams involved then it's a bidding war. Chargers/Dolphins/Patriots/Skins

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18 minutes ago, chknwing said:

shouldnt be signing any high dollar players right now.  this virus is gonna cancel football this year.  no sense in paying players to sit at home and play Phase 10

currently, no players are getting paid. the league year would be put on hiatus so the contracts would just pick up where they left off

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Shefter hasn't tweeted anything about this rumor. Seems like you guys want to discuss this just because.

I will be shocked if Cam is traded for anything.

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Be honest with yourself and others, if you were an owner or GM would you part ways with any draft pick and pay Cam near 20 million with his latest injuries? No, no you wouldn’t.  

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Rhule went 2-10 his first year at Temple. He went 1-11 his first year at Baylor. 

The suck is coming. It's part of "the process".

College is different from the pros. College coaches have to recruit talent and have to build the program. There is a huge disparity between the Alabama's and the Temples or Baylors in terms of resources and infrastructure.  In the pros you have more equitable talent and the salary cap means that one team can't get all the good players like college teams can.  Coaching matters more in the pros. In college there are lots of other factors. They may be good or bad for us.

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1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

College is different from the pros. College coaches have to recruit talent and have to build the program. There is a huge disparity between the Alabama's and the Temples or Baylors in terms of resources and infrastructure.  In the pros you have more equitable talent and the salary cap means that one team can't get all the good players like college teams can.  Coaching matters more in the pros. In college there are lots of other factors. They may be good or bad for us.

We have one DT on the roster and he's on the wrong side of 30 and coming off of a season ending injury. We have mediocre veteran QB. We have a completely unproven OL. We lost our best CB. We lost our our best pass rusher.

This roster is a trainwreck. That's just reality.

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1 hour ago, Toomers said:

    That’s not tanking.  You don’t coach different. You don’t play different. You set your team up with an eye on the future. Do you actually believe NFL coaches and players are actively “throwing” games? That’s what you are describing. Everyone needs to give up this false narrative. 

That is my point. Teams in the NFL don't tank on purpose for draft picks. And good teams try and pick the best players they can for what they want to accomplish. Given you get limited draft picks and  can't really count on anything lower than a third to be more than depth until he is down the road, you have to have veterans to back them up and start. Which is exactly what Hurney is attempting to do. 

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Just now, panthers55 said:

That is my point. Teams in the NFL don't tank on purpose for draft picks. And good teams try and pick the best players they can for what they want to accomplish. Given you get limited draft picks and  can't really count on anything lower than a third to be more than depth until he is down the road, you have to have veterans to back them up and start. Which is exactly what Hurney is attempting to do. 

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39 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have one DT on the roster and he's on the wrong side of 30 and coming off of a season ending injury. We have mediocre veteran QB. We have a completely unproven OL. We lost our best CB. We lost our our best pass rusher.

This roster is a trainwreck. That's just reality.

You point out some obvious holes. But I think we aren't done yet and we still have the draft. Am I concerned about the defense? Absolutely. But I think the offense will be better.

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Haven’t seen this !! But would make sense give Tua an extra year to heal and lean the NFL.. They have similar playing skills.. but I saw rumors Pats and the Redskins are asking about him

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3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I hope not. I hope he gets a better opportunity than the Dolphins, even if it means us cutting him.

I don't. I will take a 7th for Cam. We need something out of the deal. 

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2 hours ago, Toomers said:

    That’s not tanking.  You don’t coach different. You don’t play different. You set your team up with an eye on the future. Do you actually believe NFL coaches and players are actively “throwing” games? That’s what you are describing. Everyone needs to give up this false narrative. 

It’s amazing that this is hard to grasp. Oh no, we’d instill a loser mentality! No one is throwing games. It’s having a roster that can’t win a lot because you have a QB like Weinke or Clausen or Grier and having a gutted D that was already terrible. Losers mentality comes from going 5-11 and 7-9 and going 1-15 in the second halves. Losing 7 games in a row one year and losing 8 games in a row the next year is a losing mentality. The Panthers gave up at the end of last year. Indy finished 1-7 against everyone else and beat us 38-6 during that stretch. Oh, but I guess we still had that winner’s spirit. 

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I've looked a couple of times but can't find any indication that this rumor has legs.

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