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Debunking TB's largest knock

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Just now, Navy_football said:

Hey bro! Why the diss?!!

Not intended, just reality.

Really hoping that QB from my HS Alma mater lights it up for you guys.

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34 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's also worth noting that he's only 2-17 against collegiate top 25 teams. Those two wins? They were against 20+ ranked Navy and ECU, not exactly traditional powerhouses.

I hope I'm wrong, but i think we've probably been hoodwinked.

He coached Temple and Baylor! (The latter of which was a train wreck after a scandal when he took over.)

To turn those two situations into winners so quickly is incredible. He didn't have the stars of the big schools. To dismiss him because of his record against programs that were playing on an uneven field misses the impact he made.

He may or may not pan out in the NFL, but his resume has earned him a shot imho, and without the slightest hesitation.

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Just now, run-run-pass-punt said:

He coached Temple and Baylor! (The latter of which was a train wreck after a scandal when he took over.)

To turn those two situations into winners so quickly is incredible. He didn't have the stars of the big schools. To dismiss him because of his record against programs that were playing on an uneven field misses the impact he made.

He may or may not pan out in the NFL, but his resume has earned him a shot imho, and without the slightest hesitation.

Nice selective quoting completely ignoring that I did in fact give him credit for turning those programs around.

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Nice selective quoting completely ignoring that I did in fact give him credit for turning those programs around.

You said, "I think we've probably been hoodwinked."

I assumed that was the essence and summary of your post since you concluded with it.

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Just now, run-run-pass-punt said:

You said, "I think we've probably been hoodwinked."

I assumed that was the essence and summary of your post since you concluded with it.

It was, but I still credited him with turning those programs around. At the end of the day though, it's just a cold hard fact that he didn't win games against good football teams in college.

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13 hours ago, Toomers said:

   You aren’t going to prove anything with a highlight video. Where are the incompletions? 
 

   You could make an impressive video package for Kyle Allen as well if you took just good plays from his first 5 games with a worse OL and system. 
 

   Everything matters. 

I did prove what I said. "Teddy can't go deep." I provided 6 passes that show otherwise. 

A QB who practices with the 1s for the whole off-season probably throws more then that. 

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Man these cam nuthuggers can find any reason to negative about a qb ‘everything matters’ lol give me a break where I as this mantra when cam was here, he’s got plenty

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20 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Man these cam nuthuggers can find any reason to negative about a qb ‘everything matters’ lol give me a break where I as this mantra when cam was here, he’s got plenty

I can't believe we're bringing up deep bombs. KA is the first qb who threw one in Charlotte since 2016, sorry to say it's true. TB throws 6 completed deep bombs in 5 games, he doesn't' ever go deep. Highlight packages also don't include incomplete attempts. You don't throw deep when you're massacring defenses short.

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17 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not intended, just reality.

Really hoping that QB from my HS Alma mater lights it up for you guys.

Though not a traditional power house team, Navy regularly leads the nation in rushing - almost always in the top 5. If your defense isn't disciplined, you're in for a long game. 

Kind of what this defense was missing last season - discipline against the run. 

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21 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Allen had 35 20+ yard completions last season. In Teddy's best years, he had 38 and 41. Allen had 5 40+ yard completions last year. In Bridgewater's beat seasons he had 6 and 7.

Now obviously those stats aren't perfect because they don't show how many of those were largely due to YAC, but they're a decent indication.

I've said all along that with Bridgewater we're basically getting Kyle Allen with a lot less turnovers.  Anyone expecting to see Bridgewater let it rip 20+ yards down the field with any regularity is simply setting themselves up for disappointment.

You don't have to throw it 20+ much to win games ask Tom Brady, 6 time SB champ. Y'all going be like man I wish we had someone like Teddy way before now.

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8 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

I did prove what I said. "Teddy can't go deep." I provided 6 passes that show otherwise. 

A QB who practices with the 1s for the whole off-season probably throws more then that. 

 

6 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

I can't believe we're bringing up deep bombs. KA is the first qb who threw one in Charlotte since 2016, sorry to say it's true. TB throws 6 completed deep bombs in 5 games, he doesn't' ever go deep. Highlight packages also don't include incomplete attempts. You don't throw deep when you're massacring defenses short.

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On 3/28/2020 at 9:02 AM, pantherj said:

The worst thing you can be in the NFL is an 8-8ish team. It's football limbo. We could be 8-8 for the next 7 years. It pushes you down the draft and prevents you from ever having an elite QB. You just end up with a "good enough" QB until the coaching staff is let go due to lack of progress.

In your estimation who are the 5 best QB's in the NFL right now and what was the draft position of the teams that drafted them?

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14 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

I did prove what I said. "Teddy can't go deep." I provided 6 passes that show otherwise. 

A QB who practices with the 1s for the whole off-season probably throws more then that. 

the argument has never been "Teddy can't go deep," that's a mischaracterization of the criticism.

he has an air-yards per pass that is half the league average. whether he "can" go deep or not has never been anyone's position, the position is that he doesn't go deep often enough to be considered a good QB in the NFL.

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Posted (edited)

I think Bridgewater's arm strength is better than he is given credit for.  It could be that he has played on offenses that didn't like the deep ball very much, or that he just takes the checkdown more often than not.  That remains to be seen.

 

As much as I like Cam, one positive could be that if we are at 3rd and 1, we throw enough for the first down, and don't attempt a 30 yard downfield bomb.  Have seen that all to often over the last few years.  Not sure if it was a coaching decision, or Cam's, or some combination of the two, but it was frustrating at times

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