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13 hours ago, rippadonn said:

He could have drove that plane into the ground as GM he DID make decisions. So your saying he got paid while others made his decisions!? C'mon man. That's a reach.

Hayward I'll give you that but no risk no gain.

You know more about MJ than you know about Tepper, that includes most people NOT on wallstreet so watch and wait. Those wallstreet guys are cutthroat we'll see how he does with people instead of tips and numbers. Winning in business doesn't translate to winning in the NFL. Mike learned that it's not easy and so will Tepper. Odds are in favor of that.

Yes, he was an assistant and was paid as such.  Jerry West was flying that plane, not Mitch.  After Jerry retired (2000) and Mitch did actually become the man-in-charge he inherited Shaq & Kobe....even Cho could have kept that plane airborne and on a steady path.  After Kobe aged to the point he couldn't carry the team anymore the Mitch-led Lakers accomplished a whole lot of nothing --- missing the playoffs 6-consecutive years and didn't win a playoff game for 7-consecutive years --- all under Mitch...the single worst stretch in the entire Lakers history.  Keep in mind this is The Lakers, who are located in probably the most attractive NBA market in the great United States of America. 

Look, I like Mitch...he's definitely qualified for the job (Cho wasn't).  I also believe Mitch is probably in the top-1/3rd of GM's in the league...but, all the things that worked for him in LA (franchise history, location, competent ownership, funding) --- are working against him in Charlotte.  (in truth and fairness to Mitch, after Dr. Buss passed away the Lakers "ownership" transformed from highly competent...to incompetent...and this made it hard for Mitch to do the job)

Mike Jordan is (i) incompetent as a NBA owner, and (ii) he is underfunded relative to his peers. 

No GM can overcome these  2 constraints...unless...they are given complete control of all basketball ops, and, they possess a skill-set akin to Pat Riley --- Mike Jordan will never allow this to happen.  

If you want to learn a bit about Tepper and how he operates there's a post near the bottom of page-4 of this thread that will shed some light on it:  https://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/165865-how-nfl-executives-view-rhule/?&page=4#comments

Tepper is the opposite of Mike Jordan, entirely competent and has the heaviest wallet of all his peers -- the Panthers will run circles around the Bobcats in perpetuity (or until Mike sells to someone capable).

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On 11/23/2020 at 8:40 PM, SizzleBuzz said:

That's an incredibly low bar...  (I presume you are starting the clock in 2004)

Another low bar.

Mitch had nothing to do with Kobe's ascension --- Kobe didn't need any motivation and if anyone coached him up it was Phil Jackson.  Jerry West was the functioning GM when Kobe was brought over to the Lakers.

I have high hopes for LaMelo but if he does well it won't have anything to do with Mike Jordan.  There is no evidence of Mike ever having anything to do with successful player development.

Not a lot of positive takes out there on the Hayward signing.  He's a quality individual/player but he's 30 with a very troubling injury history.  The Bobcats were a year or two away from a full-revamp without making any foolish veteran signings --- same as was the case when Big Al was brought in --- Mike threw in the towel (both times) because the financial pressure got to him.

I do believe the team has an outside chance to squeak into the playoffs but this "mental conditioning for championships" talk is really quite humorous!:tongue:

 

3 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Yes, he was an assistant and was paid as such.  Jerry West was flying that plane, not Mitch.  After Jerry retired (2000) and Mitch did actually become the man-in-charge he inherited Shaq & Kobe....even Cho could have kept that plane airborne and on a steady path.  After Kobe aged to the point he couldn't carry the team anymore the Mitch-led Lakers accomplished a whole lot of nothing --- missing the playoffs 6-consecutive years and didn't win a playoff game for 7-consecutive years --- all under Mitch...the single worst stretch in the entire Lakers history.  Keep in mind this is The Lakers, who are located in probably the most attractive NBA market in the great United States of America. 

Look, I like Mitch...he's definitely qualified for the job (Cho wasn't).  I also believe Mitch is probably in the top-1/3rd of GM's in the league...but, all the things that worked for him in LA (franchise history, location, competent ownership, funding) --- are working against him in Charlotte.  (in truth and fairness to Mitch, after Dr. Buss passed away the Lakers "ownership" transformed from highly competent...to incompetent...and this made it hard for Mitch to do the job)

Mike Jordan is (i) incompetent as a NBA owner, and (ii) he is underfunded relative to his peers. 

No GM can overcome these  2 constraints...unless...they are given complete control of all basketball ops, and, they possess a skill-set akin to Pat Riley --- Mike Jordan will never allow this to happen.  

If you want to learn a bit about Tepper and how he operates there's a post near the bottom of page-4 of this thread that will shed some light on it:  https://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/165865-how-nfl-executives-view-rhule/?&page=4#comments

Tepper is the opposite of Mike Jordan, entirely competent and has the heaviest wallet of all his peers -- the Panthers will run circles around the Bobcats in perpetuity (or until Mike sells to someone capable).

I don’t know why people won’t give Mitch any respect when it comes to the Lakers. He won two championships after West left to Memphis. Mitch went and got Karl Malone and Gary Payton. That team went to the Finals and lost to an amazing Pistons team. After that the guy made trades for Gasol, Odom, Ariza and Artest. Decided to keep Andrew Bynum instead of trading him away. 

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3 hours ago, TikTOK said:

 

I don’t know why people won’t give Mitch any respect when it comes to the Lakers. He won two championships after West left to Memphis. Mitch went and got Karl Malone and Gary Payton. That team went to the Finals and lost to an amazing Pistons team. After that the guy made trades for Gasol, Odom, Ariza and Artest. Decided to keep Andrew Bynum instead of trading him away. 

Because those were Jerry's teams...not Mitch's. 

All the other trades amounted to nada.  

Happy Thanksgiving...

 

PS...thoughts on Tepper?

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31 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Because those were Jerry's teams...not Mitch's. 

All the other trades amounted to nada.  

Happy Thanksgiving...

 

PS...thoughts on Tepper?

He won two championships after West left. Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Artest, Ariza, Fisher (2nd stint) are all Mitch’s guys. Happy Thanksgiving to you genius. Tepper is a complete idiot. Having success in hedge fund doesn’t mean it will make you a successful sport owner. Look at his record since being the owner of the Panthers. 

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25 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

He won two championships after West left. Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Artest, Ariza, Fisher (2nd stint) are all Mitch’s guys. Happy Thanksgiving to you genius. Tepper is a complete idiot. Having success in hedge fund doesn’t mean it will make you a successful sport owner. Look at his record since being the owner of the Panthers. 

Those championships were won with Jerry's kids, no credit to Mitch  

Turning around the moribund Panthers franchise will take time...we're only in the top-of-the 1st in a day-night doubleheader.  

Tepper will prove you wrong.  

(only asked b/c I thought you were the other guy replying to out prior convo)

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5 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Those championships were won with Jerry's kids, no credit to Mitch  

Turning around the moribund Panthers franchise will take time...we're only in the top-of-the 1st in a day-night doubleheader.  

Tepper will prove you wrong.  

(only asked b/c I thought you were the other guy replying to out prior convo)

What kids? Kobe was the only player from West. OMFG. 

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1 hour ago, TikTOK said:

What kids? Kobe was the only player from West. OMFG. 

The only one that mattered.  

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24 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

 

Once all Jerry's kids washed through the Lakers went straight into the sheeetayre with Mitch at the helm...

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after hearing boston and indiana were going to give him105-110 mill , I don't really care anymore. That's the tax you have to pay as a small market team. Part of me thinks Gordon wishes he had just signed with us in 2016. 

Man what could have been. We wouldn't have paid Batum

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