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I'd be very interested in seeing someone point me to a post saying any Panthers fans are unhappy with winning? We're happy the team is winning, but we're still unhappy with Bryce's play ON THE WHOLE. Yes, we recognize he's had a handful of good games, but even in them, he's still not making the type of plays/throws that high level QB's make, at least not on a consistent basis, one or two of those throws every few weeks does not make him a high level QB. Many of us are also able to look at what we see in front of us on the field and extrapolate that out to the future, and we don't see Bryce's play as a way for sustainable success. If he was anyone else other than our own #1 overall draft pick, say if he was a mid rounder now in his 3rd season here or if he was a FA we picked up at some point, the same fans bowing down to him right now would be calling for him to be replaced and saying he was holding back the team.

I was going to add those types of throws as acceptable. I just didn't want to type all that out. In both cases it takes qb control to complete and are rare throws and completions. You may not see 1 an entire game. Most passes require adjustment due either to coverage or a rushed throw.

Not 2 seasons in on a guy who everyone knew needed time to round out. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, yet want everyone to have the patience of a saint for Bryce. You all are funny. Kibitzing, huh? Am i breaking up your circlefest or something?

i would say this but he needs game time reps to see if he can hold up. play him 20%. Dont overpush it but he will need to get in rhythm going against vita vea the following week

Made so much money he bought his own island.

So far, Tepper has never fired anyone I didn't already want fired.

I was just pointing to a stat that may have been part of the reason he was nominated. He had a bunch of elite stats and the only average one was passing yards. It’s not called the “most yards of the week award.” I get you want to argue because it’s something positive about Bryce Young, but jfc give it a rest.

seriously

apple pie, pecan pie and sweet potato pie for that one

Maybe I have the wrong concept but I think of it (dot) as a dart. To a very specific point. Usually involving a small window the ball has to pass through. The touch passes allow some massaging of pace by the target, in the situation where he is between the defender and the catch point. He can adjust slightly to remain in stride on a well placed and timed throw. Like sandbag a little bit and then when you have it tracked you can accelerate into the catch if you need to. There you go. In full stride. It is okay to slow down a hair if you have position on the defender you can still catch it in stride - as long as it isn’t really underthrown. Then of course you have to break stride. Just seems like a different type of throw. It doesn’t have to be quite as perfect. Within a couple of feet not inches. But I am outdated.

Maybe if you guys can start a petition and send it to Tepper? I hear you can also rent a crowd to protest outside BOA for you. I'm not sure what any of here can do about it. I mean if you guys keep saying how he sucks another 1 million times Tepper will get it by Jedi mind control. Not directed at you specifically but point still stands.

Brother, remember that BC talk this past offseason? Just trust me on Mays. He isn't a long term starting caliber C. I wouldn't put a position on the rounds yet. That is too myopic. Just build a good draft board and play it out. Big moves should only happen for big reasons.

He has lost a lot of stock value this year--was it the supporting cast or the player?

Great take. I'm a big Bryce fan and have been since we drafted him. My stance has always been to give him time to develop. To have some patience. I look at each play and figure out where the issue was on that play and who did their job and who screwed up. Over time you look to see if the player is improving. Stats are a reflection of making the right decisions but depend very heavily on what the other 10 guys did or didn't do and what play Canales called and the situation. I hope no one would argue that the games in which Bryce plays well, he usually plays really, really well. You can easily see on dozens of individual plays where is does things at an elite level. We can also see how the teams talks about and responds to him, on and off the field. We are at the point now where we know whats possible. The question now is how to do it more consistently. We have a young coach. We have a young GM. We have young players. We have Young. Let the Panthers cook. It may not be happening on the time table or in the exact way the fan base wants but no one can argue this is the best the team has looked from top to bottom since Watt blew up Cam's shoulder. Front office, coaching staff and players. Win, lose or draw the Panthers are exciting and contending again.

*Bonus* place them in order. I feel two of them are easy for the diehard fans, but the other two........Stump the Schwab level.

Well the clear answer is just to get Mays healthy. Corbett isn't enough of a drop off from Hunt to risk Hunt's future with us.

When we pay Bryce Young BIG MONEY!!!

No, it's that there are a lot of us who think we're winning in spite of Bryce and that he is not, and can not, succeed at a high level in this league. The reason we're becoming more vocal the last month or so is because we see the writing on the wall, and that the team's success in spite of him is going to get his 5th year extension picked up and brought as our starter despite his actual play not being worthy of either. But I KNOW there are many Panthers fans who want to see Bryce succeed so badly that they are completely blind to the glaringly obvious issues he has and have wet dreams over mediocre games. I'm sorry, but I'm just so sick of people making comments like this. It's so asinine to think the anti Bryce crowd is willing to spend as much time as they do watching the games, following the team, talking on here or other places online, spend our money on team gear, etc, but because we don't think a player is good enough to be our long term QB and give specific and legitimate reasons why, that we want to see the Panthers tank. It's just such nonsense I will fully give him credit that he's improved in certain areas, particularly turnovers. But small improvements in some areas don't make up for his severe limitations and issues in other critical aspects. Saying these things doesn't mean we want the Panthers to fail, it just means we have objective opinions and aren't afraid to voice them, even if unpopular with a segment of our fan base. He is 23rd in QB Rating, there are only 3 QB's in the league with at least 10 starts who have less passing yards per game (not to mention he's 29th in the league in YPG overall). But some fans here think he's playing at some elite level and has proven he deserves to be our long term solution.

On a side note the goal posts are moving. At one point this year we were looking at that Arizona game's last drive and wanting him to show us he can finish when a team is no longer in prevent and when he didn't people were claiming he was unable to. Then he does it against Miami, Dallas, GB, ATL, and LAR and that conversation shifts to his team carried him and GWDs are dumb. Next we have the YPA and can't throw deep. Now the YPA is creeping close to some other players like Baker, it's higher than Nix (I'll acknowledge it's still on the lower side) but it shifts to "oh it's all because of YAC" (like none of the other QBs get YAC), and my personal favorite "if you take away his 3 deep passes (he only threw the ball 20 times with a YPA over 10), his passes were all short." I hope people realize most screen plays are called by the coach and not a QB checking out of some risky deep pass. If we dialed up several screens (and they worked) that's more of a DC thing that a QB thing. If they work you screen all day long. The Rams did it a lot against us too. He played a good game last Sunday. He played a bad game the Sunday before. To me he has shown he CAN play at a high level, but he needs to show consistency. I also realize we gave up a ton to draft him and the expectations are very high, but at this point those are all sunk costs. He just needs to show he can be a franchise QB.

I am not sure I know how to figure out how that applies to drops. And the point was probably supposed to be that players don’t seem to be critiqued even handedly. And definitely not a criticism against McMillan, I think he is doing a fine job for a rookie in the offensive ecosystem he finds himself in. I do see the flaws with Legette, some people just have it in for him and won’t cut him any slack whatsoever. I pointed out the drop numbers to illustrate a telling statistic. That apparently it’s okay with people for Tet to drop balls but not Legette the problem child. That’s all. Players we hate. With me it was Zavala year one, I just wanted him gone. I was pretty disappointed in Wallace year one. I haven’t come to love Zavala but have eased up on Wallace. Bryce I definitely never wanted. I seem to be easing up on him every other week. Which is better than he used to do but still not up to the consistency standards expected. slack

His only decent games he had was when he played left guard last season. He's been straight up ass everywhere they put him this season.

A record of 8-9 might win that division...

I have a hard time thinking Zavala would be decent at LG when he has been straight ass at RG. He is slow off the snap, gets bull rushed easily, has terrible pass blocking footwork, and looks utterly lost as to who to block whenever the opposing Dline does a stunt. Average-ish strength/athleticism combined with bad technique and awareness is not want I want to see from an offensive lineman...