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I'm ok with Tet over Warren. Warren has looked great but he doesn't have to play with Bryce.

Sorry but everything this team does regarding the QB position makes zero logical sense and it just screams Tepper is still meddling. Just because we’re not hearing about/from him doesn’t mean anything has changed internally.

I think both angles could have factored. I mean, we have a conversation about it and I say “well Andy knows the offense and is a positive for Bryce” and you say “plus, if we bring someone who would really compete we may be making a problem for ourselves” and I say “fair point, let’s go with Andy”. edit: this assumes there was a Bryce is the unquestioned starter mindset which I do assume myself.

I was in on Mac Jones after his first start for the 49ers, but upon some reflection and early replies from this board caused me to think there are some problems: 1. he doesn't have a strong arm either but can put some zip on short accurate passes; we would have the same problem with him as we do with Bryce in not being able to stretch the field vertically; 2. he's under contract next year so we would have to give up some draft capital to get him; and 3. is Mac actually a good qb now or is he a product of Kyle Shanahan and his offensive scheme (neither of which will be in Carolina next year)?

Canales gave a real "type poo" answer to that question lmaoo

Reasonable. I do like the idea of revisiting the how we found Jake model. For a couple of reasons.

There's no real thing as a QB competition anymore. Hell, the one thing Rhule did right was trying to make Sam or Baker earn the #1 spot but all it did was dilute practice reps with the ones and caused excuses for failure.

It’s the only sense I can make of it… or, they took BY’s ‘resurgence’ to finish last season as a sign that he had taken the next step and that Andy had played a big role in his maturation and keeping Andy would fit that narrative. The latter was my take when the season started, but I can’t help but come up with another possibility with the current state of affairs.

I definitely think we should target a backup, under the age of around 28 or so. Someone we could get 5 or 6 years out of preferably. If they were the real deal.

wasn't broken enough to pump fake the ball

Lottery, draft talk, etc... But this upcoming draft is loaded. I'd be trying to get as many bites at the apple as possible. Bridges and LaMelo, ship them out. Let Brandon Miller, this year's rookie class, and hopefully a stud or two next year try to form their own little mini-Thunder.

well, I guess in my hypothetical......I had different options competing for the #1 spot and it wasn't Bryce vs Joe Flacco. Lance in a 1 vs 1 QB battle right now just seems like the opening bar is already being set to low for the #1 spot. I mean, bringing him. But he should be the #3 at least when camp opens.

Yeah at least in our case. I think they know the league favorites better than the loser Panthers. They know Tepper meddles, that’s about the depth of their perception. They fill in some blanks and have a take.

Bringing in old Joe or Jameis to battle for your QB1 is a lost cause. Why would you put limitations on Lance? There is no good reason to. In a true competition, you let the play, pure and simple, determine the job status. Too many times, coaches and execs are taking all these additional things into account while QBs battle in a farce of a competition, because the starter has virtually been slotted in the top spot from the beginning.

Remember this also the same organization that had the "one week" high ankle sprain on Bryce this season.

Agreed. Same with those other busts. Those are hedged bets, not primary plan #1. Darnold wasn't the plan for Minny. Geno wasn't the plan for Seattle. Jones wasn't the plan for Indy. Those guys just eventually became options due to attrition, trades or winning the competition. That's the way I want to deal with bust QB's. As a potential option after a camp battle or injury. Not as Plan A. That's just insane.

I am going with the prove it beyond all doubt angle, give him every chance because that is the job they took. If I thought both or either was doing this, all of it related to the room and the roster, because they were personally all in on Bryce you can show them the door. I just feel like there were conditions of employment and they accepted the conditions and are living up to their promise to do everything possible before giving up. Or rather, getting the word that they are off the leash and to proceed with moving on. I have to hope that is it because otherwise this is idiocy.

I don't know about a ton when you start with #2's and #3's but way too many for an NFL QB with as many starts as Bryce has.

I'd have no issue w/ a Trey Lance coming in and competing for the backup job. And if he earned that? Well, if things got rocky you could give it a shot. But bringing in Lance to be your QB #1 battle out the gate? No thanks.

How many times have we seen XL drop a ball, show no effort when the ball gets thrown to him? I think XL alone is to blame for a lot. Coker just came back and seems to be getting into game shape. So we really don’t have but one good WR to throw to.

Oh it's definitely not too early to call him a bust. He has been an unbelievably massive bust. I don't want to intentionally tank. The Lance/Howell/Winston/Z. Wilson tier is tanking. Now, getting them as a hedged bet I can get behind.

The pessimistic side of me says that played a big part in them not bringing in another QB

Almost everyone is an upgrade. We could ignore all starting QBs and list the 32 backup QBs in the NFL.....and find a ton of upgrades. I mean, many if the convo is just about who is better today and that's all the convo is.

my guess on that is.... Tepper hires people. Often bad people. He is nosey. He is hard. I think he wants final thumbs up or down on select things. But he largely lets bad people do their job....until he fires them. I do think he was the tie breaker on Bryce. and I think Bryce Young was largely a Carolina GM decision. Fitterer, Morgan and their team. That's how we got him. Tepper sided with their argument over Team Frank. I think Tepper gave Canales the thumbs up to part last season with Bryce. Then I think they all sort of got blinded that he could be fixed and gave it a go this year.....after this mistake of allowing the return from the dead and miracle. I don't buy this unique only to Bryce argument that Tepper is tripling down on something that doesn't work. That's not the Tepper way at all. I think you got to fault the GM office the most. I think that's the team w/ the most egg on their face and the most at stake in the BY argument. And I also think, Morgan is merely here because David Tepper couldn't find anyone good that was willing to come here.

Absent proof that he absolutely concurred 100% with his superior, there is nothing that can change my opinion. Also, I would appreciate it if you would not lay the motivation for that opinion on wanting Morgan to succeed because he is an ex Panther. I do want hi. To succeed because of that and just because he is the GM of my favorite team, but I have enough independent thinking ability to separate my feelings from what I see as reason. I said many times before Morgan ever made GM or before Bryce was chosen that I could not believe and ex player could endorse that decision. I was speaking of Reich but also a MLB? Really? I feel like any ex high level defensive guy would be salivating at the prospect of facing a Bryce in a game. Whether an ex Panther, a Giant, a Buc, whatever jersey they wore.