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Had there been a better QB, he wouldn't have been #1. Where do you think he stacked up verses the six first round QBs in 2024? He's okay, but not #1 overall quality. The Titans should be happy, with fanfare and media scrutiny usually comes lofty expectations. Ward flying under the radar shouldn't be an issue for them.

Hadn't really thought about it because he's been so out of the spotlight so far, but yeah...

As a veteran of the Huddle, I really miss fat Alice and some of the other trolls. We had some good times. We used to have some heavy hitters here on the huddle before it got so watered down to protect the fee-fees.

We can't ever reach an end to this conversation because you keep reverting back to a perceived view that I am "blaming" him. For what exactly? Losing? That's not true. I am where CRA is on this. Correctly acknowledging Thielen's clear limitations and our clear past emphasis on trying to build a passing offense around him that resulted in the literal worst ranked passing offense is the result of decisions made by the front office. Any "blame" lies there. I do not blame Adam Thielen for taking the money and milking it for all it's worth. Twice. Again. That's on our front office. All I can do is hope that Canales is planning on throwing everything he can at the young receivers. It is critical we do not waste the opportunity for their development in what will in all likelihood be another losing season barring a miracle. Ultimately I get the sense your hardline position and unwillingness to let this go to the point you are repeatedly talking about lack of IQ and calling people dumb (very familiar behavior in this day and age) is being fueled by past conversations in other subforums. As such this only continues to get uglier. So there's no need to go any further.

It's a message board. Discussion is what it's meant for. How does this require explaining? I'm not "running to his defense" as much as I'm pointing out that your take is dumb and you should feel bad for it. Like I said before, you're the equivalent of a failing business blaming your top sales rep who while not putting up stellar numbers is still your top guy and is meeting expectations all the while seemingly giving everyone else in the organization a pass to focus on one of the few things that isn't abjectly broken. Adam Thielen is the least of the Panthers' issues. That's the whole point. You're missing the forest for the small bush. You're blaming an aging WR with a mid-level contract for not being a good #1 when he was brought here to be a veteran presence and solid #3. That's not an Adam Thielen problem. You're blaming the wrong entity.

Yet you keep coming back here running to his defense. He has a wife already doesn't he?????

The wording is confusing. The onus is on the moving parts and not the main piece at the center of it all? He hasn't earned that benefit yet. When he has an elite season then we can talk.

The offense has no excuses to be less than good. The defense is still a massive question mark until they step on the field. Bryce can’t play defense.

Things like this were always an inevitability. It's up to the front office and the scouting staff to stop blowing drafts. If this makes it all the more consequential then honestly I view it as a good thing. Warm that seat up even more.

This place is tame af compared to the majority of the rest of the internet. But what you see now is a direct effect of all the losing. The Tepper's really have nearly killed this franchise. That cannot be understated.

I have no expectations for tonight. As long as the young guys continue to hustle their asses off the future is bright win or lose.

Hope the line only gets better. They came together at end of last season with Bryce barring injuries eill be as good as we have had in many a moon!!! Can't wait and rookies report tomorrow.

I like the vibe around here. I have seen some of this poo talking threads over there and it is immature poo slinging and insults. I'd rather not.

It is good to see them out doing these things together. It will make playing together mean a little more for each person as they build those bonds. I really like what I’m seeing about the team in the off season and it’s starting to give me way more hope and excitement than I want to have!

If the majority of teams are guaranteeing most of a second rounder's contract, then the impact to our team specifically won't be that bad. Whether it will be bad to the NFL as a whole remains to be seen.

As others gave already stated- this is all.om Bryce. It's time to put up or shut up. There are no excuses. We have one of the better o lines in franchise history. We have a strong running game with Hubbard, dowdle and Etienne. We have young, talented but unproven te in sanders and Evans We now have one of the deepest wr rooms in franchise history with tmac, x, coker, horn, thielen, and probably renfrow The only one now that can Make or break Bryce is Bryce himself. ( btw writing this- Morgan and Canales have completely rebuilt the entire o in 2 years)

The primary person who is going to make or break Bryce is Bryce. The OL is solid. Probably as good as most of our historic best units. The WRs are unproven but we've spent a ton of draft capital. We have a proven RB behind him. It's put up or shut up. You don't trade up to #1 overall to draft a guy who has to be carried. That type of guy should be doing the carrying.

ChatGPT and Google AI are saying this: Length: 4 years Total Value: $8,806,818 Signing Bonus: $2,899,504 Annual Average Value: Approximately $2.2 million per year

Gotta say I agree. Dunno if he'll live up top pick of the draft expectation just yet though. That said, if he even shows up 25% better than he did thru the back half of last season, we're in pretty good shape paired with the defensive moves we made. He does atleast have that clutch gene down pat though. As for the article, I'd probably put my money on Zavala making the team. The wildcard is Luke Kandra, who iirc was a team captain, 2nd team All American w/ only one sack surrendered at Cincinnati. Impressive. But college is not the pros.

Bryce has no excuses. His O-line may not be perfect, but they're a legitimate, seasoned unit. As for the O-line, as well as all the acquired skill positions since Dan and Dave have taken over, The FO has done good by him. Yeah, I said it. He's a top (expensive) pick who was been coddled and catered to, and who has had the benefit of the prerequisite amount of patience by the current FO. It's now time for Bryce to succeed.

The headline says "details"--I am not sure the significant details are in the article.

Ahh, I see why this thread has more lives than Elvis: Still going on about Thielen, after we drafted Nalo and X and Lil Jimmy and acquired a promising UDFA in Jalen Coker, and topped it all off with a good vereran receiver hunting a career resurgence after an unfortunate sickness in Hunter Renfrow. Well, there is the period of June and July where we have to manufacture nothing-burgers to fill that football void in our hungry stomachs.

I didnt read the article, but there are no excuses for Bryce. He will make or break his self, stop blaming the rest of the team for his "short" comings. Had to do it

Sorry hit wrong button! https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/panthers-training-camp-preview-ol-004522688.html