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I don't know if I would say the media is against Young. They know that a good story with a redemption arc and a positive outcome equals dollars. What I think has changed is perhaps there is no longer that feeling that another bad organization has ruined another young player by being a bad organization. Additionally, there was a tiny little bit of perceived unfairness in his benching. "They didn't even really give him a chance, and what do you know, they benched him for an old white player too." To that end, the Panthers have gone above and beyond giving Young the opportunity for success.

As long as the Teppers want him to be QB1, he will be QB1. Don't be fooled by the owners disappearing act. He still has his thumb on the scale.

With so many examples of coaches coming in and changing the culture very quickly, I wonder what most of you think. I’m not sure we can confidently say Canalas has that ability, yet for the most part the majority of fans believe we will see a year 3 from Canalas. How long do you feel like coaches should get to prove that they have the ability to turn a team around? Look at this clip and tell me you don’t see a difference in cultures. Yes I know we are improving on wins, but do you feel like it is real changes that will lead to long term success, or fools gold for a middle of the road result coach? https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTrh7UpPw/

I didn’t get to watch the games yesterday, was busy with the Christmas decor and all but I am not shocked Texas A&M lost.

You can't blame Tepper for not getting Ben Johnson. He wanted him but Johnson chose to not take a HC job that cycle. Tepper is to blame for a lot, but that's not on him.

I see your point, but if it is nothing but a marketing ploy, then it is not an Alpha. It is a natural ability to lead and the desire to have the opportunity to make the plays when needed. That ain't marketing. That is instinctive. The lead wolf does not bullshit the pack--he earns it because it is in his blood.

Speaking of---I wanted David Shaw, who is now the "passing game coordinator" in Detroit. I met him in Palo Alto when CMC was there--a class act.

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Sheeesh, he's a disappointment, but there are soooo many worse football players, judged by on or off field attributes.

i just am not sure how much longer they can keep him as qb1 its pathetic to watch.

Nothing Cowherd said is not correct my point in sharing the video is as not to be a fan boy for Cowherd. It was to demonstrate how the media has come full circle with this guy, It was short and sweet there are plenty of longer videos from veterans in coaching and personnel who say the same things. I’ll take it a step further, if you really listen to Young's press conferences, he tells you who is and it isn’t good. Quote ‘it depends on how focused I am’ the best thing for Young is to be moved…the franchise too.

Something has to change, we're missing out on free agents because of the Tepper fear. We're in some kind of Tepper induced purgatory.

Key is, he said “football player” not human being. But the fact you mentioned Phillips and Carruth as potential candidates they were more unlikable says all we need to know about just how BAD Bryce is at football.

All people (that get millions) had to do was watch that LSU game against Bryce in 2022. What they did in that game was the closest thing Bryce was going to see every Sunday, and he struggled mightily. It's kind of ironic, that game was the most Bryce game ever. He threw a redzone int early, it took him 51 passes to even crack 300 yds, he held onto the ball too long, he couldn't see down the middle because LSU was busting up the middle, he short armed a bunch of throws, etc. You would think our scouts and FO that get paid millions would have easily saw this red flag, yet they chose to ignore it and based their decision of his backyard football highlight tape lol Meanwhile CJ Stroud faced a defense that was going to be similar to what he was going to see every Sunday and passed with flying colors.

My dislike of Bryce comes not from him but from the Truthers who continue to think he can become something he never will. 3 years in and he still needs MORE time? Nah, by year three you should not still have questions whether you will be the long term starter.

Exactly. This has decimated the fanbase as well. There’s wayyyy less excitement even for a year where we have “improved”

It's about his playing style. I pointed all this put leading up to the draft. He'd usually take the snap from shotgun at Bama and immediately drop back another 5+ yards after that and then just kinda freewheel standing square to the LOS surveying the field. That can't world at the NFL for several reasons. 1) you can't create a picket that deep at the NFL level. NFL edge rushers are too good. 2) Standing square to the LOS like Bryce did now once you see where you want to throw, you have to flip your hips to get in position to deliver the throw. That means both your receiver needs to be wide open and you need ample protection. Not happening in the NFL. 3) On all of his deep throws he needed to be able to step up and through the throw to generate power. That rarely happens in the NFL. It happened recently against Atlanta and he played great but that type if time and room to operate just rarely happens on Sundays. Bryce was IMO always a prototypical great college player who just doesn't translate to the NFL from a talent and stylistic perspective. I don't know how he fooled football people into thinking otherwise.

Seems so weird considering his college career, like obviously being a great Pro player is much harder but still how do you go from Heisman winning greatest Alabama QB this era to worst starting QB in the league, I don't get it. I know he had an injury his last year in college but that shouldn't effect his "processing" skills the way something has

LOL I just think it's funny how much you hate a pretty likeable player. Yeah, Arch has a much higher talent ceiling but he's doing less with a lot better surrounding talent. If I had to win a college game tomorrow and was picking between Haynes or Arch I'm taking Haynes all day everyday. He's not a great passer, but he's honestly a considerably better passer than Arch right now and he's the tougher runner. It's an easy call.

Not a Cali kid, he just went to Stanford. He was born and raised in Colorado.

Wife? I'm not stupid enough to sign up for giving someone half my poo when I'm tired of her. But if I was married, I would certainly hope my wife picked a Manning (any Manning) over a shitty version of Haynes King.

Burns was fine if we traded him for 2 1sts and a 2nd. Moore was also fine if we traded him for GB’s 1st (pick 15, I think) instead of throwing him in on Young. CMC was dumb because he would have been a great helper for a rookie QB and we got basically nothing for him. The other benefit for trading everyone in 2022 is that we don’t finish with pick 9 and actually get a spot to pick Stroud or Young without trading. No chances we’d luck into deciding on a QB in 2024. Now, Fitterer likely fugs it all up anyway but it doesn’t change the fact that we were offered great to obscene value for Burns and Moore. Giving away CMC and Moore as extras for Young and getting a 2nd for Burns was stupid.

Ben Johnson refused to interview with us. He knew how dysfunctional our franchise was

Sorry he banged your wife and all but he's still a better college QB right now than Arch and doing more with a lot less supporting cast.

I'm not talking about the NFL either. I'm talking any level. Other than Navy, Army and Air Force, there is literally not a single coach or GM who would agree with your assessment. Haynes King is a RB dressed up as a QB. He's lucky he goes to a school where their history is the nonsensical wishbone, option bullshit. Arch Manning is (currently) a below average QB (given his name), who is still a way better QB than Haynes King will ever be. At any level.