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I am not here to argue for a particular guy as I haven’t researched any of them. It is the beginning of a culling process and zi think he should be included in it.

I'm gonna predict White

I don't think our people necessarily need Tepper's help to make mistakes. They can make enough of them on their own.

The first game in 2023, the pace of his drops was actually shocking to me. Two things I remember the most was the limited depth of the passing game and that casual no hurry manner of operating. I was flabbergasted really. Could not believe what I was watching. I knew the footwork and arm strength issues but had not realized the pace he played at.

It's kind of funny. For awhile it was poor Bryce he has no weapons. Now it's poor weapons they have no qb

And we thought Andy Dalton had another good year in him. Using our own mistake to minimize someone else's mistake doesn't make for a good argument. Lance is not a starter. Doubt he ever will be.

I'm not willing to shift blame for any individual player's sh-tty performance to a separate individual player. That kind of behavior doesn't come from some outside contagion. It starts within. If anything, he should be making more of an effort to play well to compensate for problems at the QB spot. Regardless of Bryce, Legette has to own his own work.

The L.A. Chargers obtained Trey Lance and he became their #2 QB , so undoubtly they don't agree with you.

But people overlook that the team finished 6-6, not at all a typical picking number one team. Sorry but I reject that line of excusing. We went So bad, so early, it was because of Bryce. He couldn’t even really work from under center you can’t run play action you can’t play ten way Wilks played and how we are now just to win some games… it was insane. PS and some of the biggest insanity was taking D J Moore away. How fugi g crazy was that….

Sounds more like Trey Lance just had the bad luck to have these freak injuries at the wrong time. I really don't think he has long term history of being injury prone. The Panthers need to let AndyDdalton go and try obtaining Trey Lance,in my opinion to compete with or replace Bryce Young.

Hear hear. I missed some of the best days because I didn’t even know what the internet was in 1995, and was working in Atlanta in 1995-1997. I used to go to the bar on Sundays to try and get a Panthers game but it was hard. If they were on the 4pm then maybe I could se it but it was all Falcons everywhere. Mostly a game here and there and twice a year when we played Atlanta. And forget about print coverage. The whole 1996 season was lost to me really. We could not get coverage like we have now with the net and all the video streaming. And a message board to interact with people. What a concept.

I dont think Reese will make it to 16 and I also dont think we are picking 16. When the dust settles we probably are a 6 win team hovering around the top 10

Just out of curiosity but how can it get worse then bryce. You telling me there is someone that can throw for less then 170 yards a game and more ints?

XL could defiantly improve from totally lost to mostly lost with a good QB.

This got Drew Carter picked in the 5th round.

I am referencing McMillan, but even he--anyone--can get very discouraged working with someone who isn't doing their job. If you're trying to be a team and have (for lack of a nicer word) a bum day in and day out affecting your work, and maybe even affecting it profoundly, at some point you're likely to just say, "fug it, it is what it is," and wonder what the damned point is. "Why am I working my ass off trying to carry this dude? No one really appreciates it. He's making me look bad..." Now I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not even saying that there aren't the types that will keep on pressing on, regardless, but what I am saying is that it's not exactly human nature to keep giving it your all in a totally fuged up situation. In regards to X, I can't---I'm talking me personally---get 100 percent mad at him or call him an absolute bust or lost cause, because of sub par play that isn't even in the neighborhood of actually meeting his strengths. Now I have been a little out on watching all the film I can (not that I have beaucoup access) just from being..."out," but if you listened to Chris Lea on the vid, he emphasized that X is getting open "a lot," intimating of course that Bryce isn't getting the ball to him. I've also seen another vid about how Bryce seems to be locking on to T-Mac (or the check-down option). Assuming these guys are right, then anyone should be able to understand why Legette is discouraged, even if they don't agree with how he's reacting to it. All that being said, again, even old dogs get tired. Until we get a new QB, it's a little rich to be giving up on our skill position players. I have noticed that there have been disagreements about ball placement, effort, and whether a ball was catchable a lot by Huddlers, and all I have to say is that this shouldn't be well into Bryce Young's third year. We seem to be nitpicking and disagreeing about things of that nature, and it all comes down to the QB being the wrong answer for this offense.

Not at all. If you have those types of receiving numbers (XL's first four seasons that should've been his entire college career minus COVID) you better be an incredible returner if you have any chance to get drafted. XL wasn't really an impact return man. These are begging for a shot as a UDFA numbers The only thing that might have gotten XL a shot were his workout numbers. That's it. Prior to that super senior year he's the type of guy who might've been able to land a wildcard UDFA shot and probably released in the first or second roster cut downs never to be heard of in the NFL again.

You’ve brought it up in multiple threads; multiple posts. Even in this thread, nobody mentioned bringing him back before your first post. You’ve mentioned folks wanting Bryce to fail due to wanting Cam back.

Every team has. The NFL will take chances on guys who have all the raw talent. Every coach worth his salt thinks he's the guy who will be able to break through to this guy and make him into the player he could potentially be if everything clicked. It just rarely plays out like that.

Back in my day, guys like that went on day 3 or not at all.

Dalton with both thumbs broken off would be better.

Literally none. Like might not have even gotten UDFA tryout invites before getting that extra year. He had 423 career receiving yards over four seasons coming into that super senior season afforded him due to COVID. What an absolute financial lifeline that proved to be for him. Good for him, glad he made the most of it. I just wish someone else would've taken the bait in the draft.

We've done that more than once. I'd insert a memory of JC Price here but his name is about the only thing I genuinely remember about him

Happens in every draft. Guys that look like Tarzan and play like Jane get over drafted every year and always will.

Luke shouldn't come back either. I'd say "bother" is probably too strong a word. My reaction when I see it is generally just an eye roll, maybe a head shake. Not sure that qualifies as being "bothered". Mildly amused perhaps