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Bringing in old Joe or Jameis to battle for your QB1 is a lost cause. Why would you put limitations on Lance? There is no good reason to. In a true competition, you let the play, pure and simple, determine the job status. Too many times, coaches and execs are taking all these additional things into account while QBs battle in a farce of a competition, because the starter has virtually been slotted in the top spot from the beginning.

Remember this also the same organization that had the "one week" high ankle sprain on Bryce this season.

Agreed. Same with those other busts. Those are hedged bets, not primary plan #1. Darnold wasn't the plan for Minny. Geno wasn't the plan for Seattle. Jones wasn't the plan for Indy. Those guys just eventually became options due to attrition, trades or winning the competition. That's the way I want to deal with bust QB's. As a potential option after a camp battle or injury. Not as Plan A. That's just insane.

I am going with the prove it beyond all doubt angle, give him every chance because that is the job they took. If I thought both or either was doing this, all of it related to the room and the roster, because they were personally all in on Bryce you can show them the door. I just feel like there were conditions of employment and they accepted the conditions and are living up to their promise to do everything possible before giving up. Or rather, getting the word that they are off the leash and to proceed with moving on. I have to hope that is it because otherwise this is idiocy.

I don't know about a ton when you start with #2's and #3's but way too many for an NFL QB with as many starts as Bryce has.

I'd have no issue w/ a Trey Lance coming in and competing for the backup job. And if he earned that? Well, if things got rocky you could give it a shot. But bringing in Lance to be your QB #1 battle out the gate? No thanks.

How many times have we seen XL drop a ball, show no effort when the ball gets thrown to him? I think XL alone is to blame for a lot. Coker just came back and seems to be getting into game shape. So we really don’t have but one good WR to throw to.

Oh it's definitely not too early to call him a bust. He has been an unbelievably massive bust. I don't want to intentionally tank. The Lance/Howell/Winston/Z. Wilson tier is tanking. Now, getting them as a hedged bet I can get behind.

The pessimistic side of me says that played a big part in them not bringing in another QB

Almost everyone is an upgrade. We could ignore all starting QBs and list the 32 backup QBs in the NFL.....and find a ton of upgrades. I mean, many if the convo is just about who is better today and that's all the convo is.

my guess on that is.... Tepper hires people. Often bad people. He is nosey. He is hard. I think he wants final thumbs up or down on select things. But he largely lets bad people do their job....until he fires them. I do think he was the tie breaker on Bryce. and I think Bryce Young was largely a Carolina GM decision. Fitterer, Morgan and their team. That's how we got him. Tepper sided with their argument over Team Frank. I think Tepper gave Canales the thumbs up to part last season with Bryce. Then I think they all sort of got blinded that he could be fixed and gave it a go this year.....after this mistake of allowing the return from the dead and miracle. I don't buy this unique only to Bryce argument that Tepper is tripling down on something that doesn't work. That's not the Tepper way at all. I think you got to fault the GM office the most. I think that's the team w/ the most egg on their face and the most at stake in the BY argument. And I also think, Morgan is merely here because David Tepper couldn't find anyone good that was willing to come here.

Absent proof that he absolutely concurred 100% with his superior, there is nothing that can change my opinion. Also, I would appreciate it if you would not lay the motivation for that opinion on wanting Morgan to succeed because he is an ex Panther. I do want hi. To succeed because of that and just because he is the GM of my favorite team, but I have enough independent thinking ability to separate my feelings from what I see as reason. I said many times before Morgan ever made GM or before Bryce was chosen that I could not believe and ex player could endorse that decision. I was speaking of Reich but also a MLB? Really? I feel like any ex high level defensive guy would be salivating at the prospect of facing a Bryce in a game. Whether an ex Panther, a Giant, a Buc, whatever jersey they wore.

Years ago there use to be a website called Cold Hard Football Facts.com. I used to hang out there to read the articles and their interpretation of the football data. After the midseason point, when teams had generated enough data to set trends, these guys could predict the winner of game 75% of the time using nothing but statistical data. They said the single most important piece of data for passing efficiency is Yards per attempt. "I think" they said any team at 7.0 yds/attempt or higher would usually be among the top 10 teams in the NFL year in and year out if even if they only had an average defense. The lower the number, the least successful the team. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/passing/table/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt/dir/desc If you toggle the column and arrange it from best to worst the data clearly proves their point. Nearly every team above 7.0 this season (16 in all) has a strong chance of making the playoffs with the possible exceptions of Washington and Dallas. Washington has been decimated by injuries this year and Dak's excellent season is being overlooked because the Cowboy defense can't stop anyone in 2025. The teams below 7.0 are clearly the tier 2 and tier 3 teams in the NFL with the exception of Denver which is currently sitting atop the AFC West at 8-2.

Lmao

Set in their ways? How about just plain idiotic?

I understand why you want it to be true that he did not want to draft Bryce Young and personally I feel the same way but we cannot say that and we have Morgan's actions for the last 2 years that reflect the complete opposite. If Dan never wanted him he would have had a fallback plan this year after Bryce opened 2023 and 2024 playing poorly at best and Dan also would certainly have made a move before the trade deadline recently. But none of that happened. That simply does not sound like the actions of someone who never wanted that guy. That's what we have to go by and that's the summary of the situation as it stands however difficult it may be to have to grapple with.

It is way too early to call Lance a bust. That's the whole point. Lance has ONLY had FIVE starts in his career. He was very very young and inexperienced coming into the league. He never had to play with the big dogs until in the NFL. He never had any business being drafted on day one (and maybe at all). That being said, he showed progress this past preseason, of course in limited work. If you want to label him a legit bust, then some of the retreads you're thinking about have to be busts also. We know what they are however, and unless someone is lying, no one really knows what Lance is yet. If we can acquire him, we can find out what he is during the same time that the Saints are finding out what Shough is and the Falcons are finding out what Penix is. I'm not suggesting that he is a future starter, but I'm saying that we don't know what he is due to his circumstances coming into the league. Being over-drafted does not set up a young, inexperienced QB for success in any shape, fashion or form. I am loath to desire a retread, who will likely win largely meaningless games, and perennially screw up our ability to get a legit QB organically in the draft.

We should have sent a late round pick to the Giants for Jameis early in the year after Dalton looked terrible in the preseason. He is basically the exact opposite player of Bryce so at the very least it would have shone a light on how much or the problem with the offense is Bryce, or playcalling, or overall talent etc. It would have directly answered those questions even if Jameis was bad.

If this isn't the case, fire them.

2.7 seconds is plenty of time for deep throws.

I am not sure anyone here can definitively say Morgan Did want to draft Young. Or even make that trade. Also, I am giving him leeway whether you want to do that or not. We will have to disagree. I cannot get my mind around the idea that he could look at Bryce and endorse taking him 1.1. If it comes out of his mouth then I will believe it. Not another poster or five other posters. WI will concede that possibly he wa fooled last year with so many others, into thinking Bryce might have a future. That via as far as I can go I also think, without proof, that he defers to the offensive guys in some of these evaluations and is the bigger voice on the defensive evaluations because that is his background

They are handling it like they want him to come back which is insane at this point. If this is Tepper related then we are all fugged because an idiot should understand that a broken thumb on a throwing hand and a QB do not equal anything good. And watching Dalton play with a broken thumb already should have been enough proof. It reeks and I still can't belive he isn't IRed every time I hit refresh

I hope. That's what I've been saying for awhile. Our best bet is that Canales and Morgan want to move on at the position and they're trying to get Tepper onboard and they win in that effort.

Absolutely. As someone on here said earlier, exciting and bad beats boring and bad every day.

Maybe coach just wants ownership to know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we have to move on at the QB position. And maybe he will keep running out who we have until the Teppers come in and throw up their hands shouting, "Yes, let's get this over with." If you want change in your workplace, make sure the boss thinks it's their idea.