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For some historical perspective for brand new Panthers fans, we've been in this position in the past. We were in QB limbo with a guy named Matt Moore. He was mediocre at best, but we didn't have a 1st round pick in the following draft. We used our second round pick on QB Jimmy Clausen. As a rule I would never draft a QB who falls to the second round, but we took a shot. Jimmy turned out to be one of the worst QBs of all time. It was a total nightmare, but that is a GOOD thing. Getting destroyed that season allowed us to take the top rated QB in the draft, Cam Newton. Cam instantly ended QB limbo, brought fans back to BOA, and gave us a shot at winning the SB. I WANT Sam out there stinking it up. I want this upcoming season to go into the toilet. I DON'T want 6 or 7 wins. Veteran QBs are at their ceiling when the arrive. If they win you 7 games, then you can expect about 7 wins the following seasons as well. They're topped out, and they're getting older and weaker each passing season. We MUST escape QB limbo at any cost.

Veteran QBs help maintain QB limbo. A washed up veteran QB (the only type that would come here) can lead us to around 7ish wins. That is not a good thing. That means we will not be high enough to select the QB who is the highest rated prospect in the draft, and maybe not even the second or third rated QB. That is the worst thing this franchise can do at this point. Dropping too far in the 2023 draft insures QB limbo until at least the 2024 draft. Teams in QB limbo are in a totally hopeless situation. The key is to break out of QB limbo, but it's a painful short term process. You start Sam all season, and see how the dice fall. If Sam remains terrible, then we may escape QB limbo by drafting one the top rated QB prospects. If Sam plays well, then why not stick with him because he would clearly be demonstrating improvement. Either way you have hope for the future. It only takes on season to escape QB limbo, but you have to make the right choices to get out. Otherwise it never ends. We could go a decade easily just bringing in one washed up vet QB after another and never see a playoff appearance.

Outliers like Dilfer and Flacco don't mean you try to reproduce their team blueprints. Why would any team build up the defense and try to win with a game manager when that rarely ever works, at least look at the last 20 seasons. Rhule isn't aiming for a SB team, he's aiming for a middle of the pack team that has great talent on defense and a game manager on offense. That can get you to 8-9ish. We need a HC who is focused on building a SB winning team.

We're at the point in the NFL where you can look at the roster and tell who is going to make the playoffs and have a shot at the SB. Just look at the QBs. Simple. Our QB is Sam Darnold btw. RBs are not that important, and neither are LBs for the that matter. The Panthers are stuck in the past trying to build a defense out of 1st and second round picks. They're all over the damn field and they don't matter. You have a great QB or you don't.

The NFL is all about who you have a QB. The Bucs were terrible and they brought in Brady and immediately won the SB. Without Brady next season the Bucs will return to poop. Culture doesn't pass the football out on the field. All teams are working long hours and busting their asses to win because massive sums of money are on the line. Having first and second rounders running around all over on defense doesn't mean anything unless you have a great QB. John Fox football is dead. Collecting 1st round LBs is something the Huddle loves, but it's idiotic. Drafting a top 10 pick RB is outrageously stupid. The defense first blue collar mentality comes from the Steelers and it worked well in the 90's especially. Unfortunately many Panthers fans became addicted to that type of blueprint, small ball tough defense. Rhule is the same way. He wants to run the ball more and more, and bring in one game managing QB after another. Pickett is another game manager, and Rhule will say we're nit running it enough once Pickett racks up L's here. You want to build your team like the Rams, Bengals, Chiefs, Cowboys, ect. High flying offense with a great QB. What should be the plan. O-line this draft. Star Sam, lose any meaningless games at the end of the season by putting in PJ, and go into the 2023 draft with the top pick, or near top pick to snag a great QB prospect. If we take Pickett, then Rhule is sticking with Steelers 90's football, run the ball, play tough defense, punt a lot, and don't turn the ball over with risky passes. That means 5 or 6 wins against teams that are aiming for the top pick in the draft.

So you're not committed to bringing him here, and you're saying he's not terrible. Well no kidding? Not saying much.

Sending Pickett out to take on gun slinging superstars who keep the ball rocketing down field especially in the 4th quarter is insane. Imagine Mahomes vrs Pickett? lol. The top dog QBs are a new breed that can dominate any defense. That's not Pickett obviously. Pickett will be the game manager who needs others to make the big plays, so no SB will Pickett. Your QB has to be your best player on the team. He has to be your superstar. Pickett is not a bad QB, but so what? Do you want to win the SB, or stay in the bottom half of the league for several more seasons? Go o-line at 6, and look for a rockstar QB in 2023.

To take Pickett at 6 you need to believe he can win the SB here. You don't check down your way to the SB. You have to have elite talent and a big arm to win the SB. Pickett has neither of those things, so why do so many Huddlers want him? Who knows? Being impatient and willing to settle for anyone is not the way to go.

Kenny Picket is Teddy Bridgewater 2.0. We already had Teddy and saw where that went. If Rhule takes Picket then we replay the Teddy season, and then Rhule is fired.

Keep in mind I have not seen the entire game yet. I started it over.

I'm not really learning anything about these QBs from this game. I've learned they can check down, and they don't want to get hurt in this game.

Willis was under duress more.

Just watching Pickett play like Teddy Bridgewater atm.

Wilis is showing he can scramble and elude a pass rush so far early in the 1st.

Trevor Penning is as nasty as Norwell and way bigger haha.

Ok I'm going to start the Senior Bowl over so I can see what I missed.

Malik was just compared to a bigger version of Kyler Murray.

Trade for Watson assuming he has changed his mind and he is willing to come here. Christensen at LT and Moton at RT should be enough for Watson, and I can address the interior of the line later in the draft if needed. Watson would have 4 good weapons to which to throw the ball, and the best RB in the NFL. That, along with our defense, means we would highly likely have a competitive team. At worst, we would still have a couple more wins than 2021. That's improvement. The real problem is that the stadium has been mostly empty with opposing fans outnumbering our fans. That is what's going to get Rhule fired more than anything else. My Watson plan would bring fans back to the stadium because he's the kind of high caliber QB people will pay to watch play (myself included). I'm not paying to watch Sam play, I'm not crazy. If Watson turns his nose up again at our poop franchise, then I'm going for a QB in the draft. Willis throws the ball with the highest velocity and has the strongest arm. That means if he can learn then he's the best prospect out of the lot. The worry is that he's a dope. That falls on the QB coach, OC ect to get him in line and reading the field properly. I pull the trigger on Willis and if he doesn't learn the offense then I fire more offense staff members and plead to Tepper that it takes time for a rookie to come around.

Take him. Our secondary was clueless.

In watching Darnold in his season here I've seen what is the main problem. He often doesn't throw to his first read when they are clearly open. That alone is enough to cause a lot of poor performances. To make matters worse his deep ball is terrible almost always. That's pretty much enough to lock us into 5 - 12ish records so long as he's here.

We passed on Fields, so we'll pass on the QBs in this draft as well. From his comments we're taking a LT imo.

If nothing else I want the HC to help find a great QB. Rhule hitched his wagon to Sam, so that tells you all you need to know.

Would that be a step down in his career? He's like 63 and had a higher position in Vegas.

Pickles and Pickett both have small hands.