DaveThePanther2008

Sorry but you could bring TB12 here and with this line he would struggle. Our line is worse than a wet paper sack. If the QB isn't getting sacked the defensive linemen are right in his face to block any short pass, which is all the time our QBs have to throw the ball.

Absolutely Peter Angelos has been doing that with the Orioles for decades.

Good Stuff I worry about this game with TB. They are severely short of playmakers but they are getting AB back which will help. It would absolutely suck if we pulled an upset and ruin everything. Rhule is on the hot seat and our best scenario is for Tampa to destroy us in our own back yard. Lions winning out would be awesome, Giants gave Dallas a hard time and could beat Philly. Jags and Jets I think are pretty much locked in ahead of us. Who knows with with the Bears. There defense is pretty good but just can't seem to get out of their own way on offense.

Well it is nice to see that this is in the regular media. Tepper might not read the huddle but it is hard to miss the regular media. I'd like to see it happen before the early coach finding rule takes effect.

You know I would be onboard with this IF we showed some sort of improvement from year 1 to year 2. This may be the 2nd worst team in Panther history. The ineptness of our offense is the offensive line and instead of finding offensive line help we trade and sign two CB that haven't really helped us. I just don't see us improving in 2022. It almost feels like we have 5 plays on our sheet and that's it. Teams know all you have to do is blitz the crap out of us and we'll fold. Our OC(s) have no idea on how to counter them and Rhule is oblivious to how to fix it. To me no matter what he does 2022 is another losing season.

This is my point as well. We're not going to be anywhere near the conversation of the playoffs so why not allow the rookies you drafted a chance to play. IMO it is critical for us to know exactly what talent we have on the offensive line going into the draft. Brown and Christensen should be playing at their natural positions. It's not going to be as if we are putting them in front of Pro Bowl talent. Daley, Erving, Jordan and Miller just to name a few are not any better than Brown or Christensen.

I thought the call for unsportsmanlike conduct after we stopped them on 3rd down was clearly a homer call.

I'm ok with this outside of the O-Line. Firing Rhule should be #1. Depending on what falls to us in the draft. Preferably a QB. Where I differ from you is that we need to grab top tier offensive line free agents(Plural), not depth. Moore and Christensen can be the depth,

We have plenty of talent on this team now. We need to focus on the offensive line. If we get some talent that could give our QB longer than a nanosecond to throw the ball we'll improve right away. If we get the right coach next year. We'll be at least competitive and maybe win a couple of close games and be in contention with the bubble teams.

I liked Rivera outside of his love for Vets over the best player. Hurney was more of the problem and his love for hidden offensive line gems from Division II teams. Fitterer and Rivera would be an interesting combo.

2009-13 we did not have a winning season, however 2009 we were 8-8. 2018-21 we are below .500 every season. Time to make change. It's embarrassing.

That has to be the most absurd statement ever. My 5 year old daughter could tell our line sucks and she doesn't even watch football. Cam took a beating and teams know how to play us. Stop 1st down run and bring the house on 2nd and 3rd and long.

Well I am glad I am not the only one. I have been a diehard for many years but this is worse than any team we put on the field outside of 2010 and that was intentionally done by JR. I don't know how many explicatives I can come up with to describe our offensive line. And to make matters worse Rhule keeps trotting out Miller and Jordan as if they are going to improve. For crying out loud Jordan couldn't even make any other teams practice squad and we got him on the field. And we thought that Rivera's devotion to vets was bad. Rhule's devotion to playing inept players is far worse. He'd rather keep putting these slugs out there instead of letting his rookies play. They definitely can't be worse.

He catches what is thrown at him. Can't say the same for our other receivers. Regardless, of what WR number they are. You don't have to have blazing speed to get open. I hope he's one to stay around.

Horn was a stud until he got hurt, TMJ is not being used properly, Christensen needs to be at LT, Tremble is doing well for a rookie, Hubbard with a good line will be better, Nixon is a rookie playing at one of the hardest positions to transition from college to pros and has shown promise. Taylor same as Nixon, Brown should be in the lineup and given the opportunity to show his worth. Smith has the tools. Fletcher will replace JJ next year. These picks are far and I mean BY FAR better top to bottom than any draft Hurney ever had. You can nitpick but overall all of these picks have the potential to be contributors in the coming seasons.

I don't see Fitterer going anywhere. He had some questionable free agents but most of his draft picks were pretty solid. You could almost point the finger at Rhule on the FA.

Rhule had not lived up to expectations. I feel the Panthers are going backwards. If we decide to cut loose of Rhule do we try and keep Snow or do we let the new HC decide on who he wants a DC. Personally I would like to see Snow's defense with at competent HC and offensive coordinator.

I said most. BTW Don't Never is a double negative.. JK

Rhule wasn't some coach we just hired out of the blue. He was a very hot commodity and many of us including myself believe he was going to be our savior. While I agree it is all a BS smokescreen now. Initially most on this board were excited that we got him. I understood, kind of, why he kept Hurney after he bought the team. Not happy about it but at least could understand the logic. IMO we have a really good GM staff with Fitterer and Morgan so we are headed in the right direction there. If we fire Rhule we HAVE TO hit on the next coach or we are going to be the Detroit south. Every other year changing coaches.

A point was made during the game about Brady's offense. When a team finds a play that works they would run it several times during the game. Brady would have a play that he would run that wouldn't produce a single yard but would run it over and over again. Producing the same results. Rhule will not step in and tell him not to call that play again. I've said for months now Rhule and his staff don't know how to adjust. When Brady was at LSU they were a dominate team. The game plan worked every week and adjustments weren't necessary. In the NFL that won't work. Last year we all saw some promise and believed 2021 would be better. We drafted two offensive line men and instead of letting them grow in this offense they sat on the bench for players that weren't doing any better than a rookie. If you are building a program with young players you have to let those players play. Brown really pisses me off. I am not sure why he wasn't on the field. I know he was put on IR but IMO that was only to open a roster spot and had nothing to do with him being physically able to play. Other than the weight issue, which iMO, should not have been a factor.

Rhule needs to get off analytics and Start Christensen at LT and put Brown in at Guard. Let them play the season out and show what they can do. It will give us a better idea of what we need to do going into the draft.

Which is why running with Cam is a better option.

I mostly agree but other and trading for ANOTHER QB you are either going to have to ride with Cam or draft a 3rd rounder because our 2nd is gone. If you are going to draft a LT than get the best, use free agency to get top tier talent on the O-line and let Cam run the offense. Focus on 2023 for a QB. We'll have a full complement of draft picks to wheel and deal with.

Rivera issue was running with Vets over unproven rookies with talent. Rhule doesn't have a clue. Our season is done. He should be running with Brown and Christensen in the line up. Give those players we drafted a chance to get some experience. Brown especially. I did see him on the field, not sure how many plays he got. Somehow Rhule, and I believe this, believes we still have a chance to make the playoffs. As they pointed out in the game Sunday. We have the toughest remaining schedule. Buffalo and TBx2 are definitely loses and N.O. is fighting for a Playoff spot. They'll beat us too. 5-12. OMG so sickening.

As much as I like CMC trading him would most likely be the easiest to swallow. I think Hubbard and Abdullah can handle the load. I would not trade any of our defensive players other than maybe Jackson. I do have a very strong feeling that Fitterer is going to trade down and get our 2nd back.