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Typically the prior years ratings for veterans transfer over w/i a 1-3 point'ish range, if this holds true... Christensen - 63-66 Bozeman - 71-73 Corbett - 73-75 Moton - 82-85 ___________________________________________________ Those are the ranges I'd expect - honorable mention of Deonte' Brown around 60-63 Ickey, as the first OL taken is probably looking at 73-76 range, wouldn't be surprised if they hyped him up to 77 but that is pushing it. SS Dev for CFM would be a ++ Corral in the beta I think is being teased a little bit (it's skewed ratings) but even as a 60 ovr versus Darnold who I believe is like a 70 / 71 ovr -- he has better overall base combined accuracy, and is at 80 spd / 84 acc / 85 THP -- I think we see the spd / acc / THP creep up a bit at release if he's already at this in the beta.

If it's any consolation inside the Madden 23 Beta I think the Jets are worse, 72 overall, Carolina is a 73

Are we not in the ''voluntary OTA'' window -- I honestly don't know, I haven't been paying attention.

It's been a huge topic some scouts don't like the RPO heavy offense Ole Miss ran, Ben McAdoo likes the quick decision making that the QB (Corral) exerted in this offense, the talking points go on. This video especially towards the end where the Chief's breakdown is shown I think should give people some insight into the success that having the RPO as what you might consider a staple portion of the offense can do for you if run efficiently. Enjoy...

Considering the hybrid nature of our front as I think we continue to see more two points stances on the edges, we have an opportunity to still be ''good'' on defense. Most of Reddick's production was from some isolated performances as far as the sacks are concerned, similar to his 5 vs NYG his last year in ARI. So his final stat line has to be understood in context, hell of a guy to lose, but is ''replaceable'' even if by committee. YGM / Haynes / Barno - all have skill sets we know work / in Barno's case can translate to the NFL. Barno is the same physical comp as Burns off the edge in pass rushing downs and is equally athletic. YGM / Haynes have shown the ability to produce when their number is called, it stands to reason more opportunity means an increase in that production. I think our secondary is better, Gilmore was on a pitch count, and played well but was not ''the reason'' our defense was good. Horn looked the part up to injury (Week 3), Henderson with camp under his belt stands to improve, and DJ is a good corner. We also have improved at Safety with the addition of Xavier Woods, which allows Chinn to be the move safety where he's in the box, out of the box, etc. In general the secondary depth is honestly fairly deep. Brown and Ioannidis are as good a starting duo as most teams can claim aside from the likes of (PHI / WAS) I think another proven veteran could help them, but Roy, Nixon, and Hoskins all showed they could hold up. As far as off-ball LBer's we FINALLY added some athleticism to pair with Shaq, both Littleton, and Wilson are upgrades over Carter, and adding in Smith who will have the opportunity to learn behind that group is huge. Luvu has an all day motor so I expect to see him flash just like last year. All in all the only loss was Reddick, and IMO we have been able to add to the roster to account for that. I can't count Gilmore as a loss as he joined right before the deadline, was on PUP, and was spot duty for the time he did play.

This ^^^ -- I believe it was a C- grade

Those were three areas left vacant after FA, we definitely seemed to have had a plan, target players, and we are executing and adding guys with ELITE traits with HIGH upside.

Traits, traits, and more traits, arm...check, athleticism...check....upside check. I'm good with this bottom of the 3rd.

How can he say that when there is no QB comp on the roster at this time, and ultimately this is a Rhule decision as far as who plays.

Ummmmm.....did ya'll not see how bad the offense was when Darnold who knew the PB returned... Cam is better than Sam on equal footing, Cam actually led drives that ended in scores with a week or two of practice, I don't even recall if Sam led a scoring drive in his return until the meaningless Week 18 game versus TB. Weeks 7 through 9: Darnold - Zero touchdowns, and three interceptions and a fumble Weeks 16 through 18: Darnold - Two touchdowns, two interceptions, 3 fumbles, and 2 lost In summary in his 6 games that closed out the year -- 2 total TD's / 5 Interceptions / 4 fumbles - 2 lost (7 turnovers in 6 games) _________________________________________ Cam Newton Weeks 10 through 16 (Didn't play but one or 2 snaps in Weeks 17 & 18): Cam - 9 total TDs / 5 INTs / 4 fumbles - 1 lost (9 turnovers in 7 games) All behind an even worse version of the OL (injuries) and not even knowing the playbook, and having a quarter of the gameplan with Matt Rhule's college roommate as the OC after firing Brady! Like come on, I know a lot of ya'll never really like Cam, and I don' think anyone is acting like he's 2015 Cam, but the NE version of Cam is better than Darnold, and any other vet FA. If there was a location / fit that made sense it's here.

Then who is the bridge option for the rookie.... Gardener Minshew, Sam Darnold, Fitzmagic Only QBs available via trade is Jimmy G off shoulder surgery, and on a BETTER SF roster he couldn't get it done and is still a turnover waiting to happen. That leaves Baker...do we even need to go into why not with him when he couldn't even handle his team looking to upgrade at QB, no thanks on the baby at QB. Cam is the best option of the bunch, has nothing to do with anything but that. Cam saying he wants to ''win'' is PR spin, but all the contending teams ALREADY have their QB so on a contender he's a back up. He might very well accept that role and I wouldn't blame him. However, if he wants to play, with a chance to win our roster could be suitable to that with more draft picks, and a legit veteran QB and in this case he's better than what is out there.

44-5, and 26-0 at home, never a season with double digit INTs. And I like the RAS measurables, its why I'd be ok with a later day 3 selection while filling out our roster. I think we could approach winning with this formula having picks in the 1st and 2nd to add OL, etc.

I think I'm completely out on QB at sixth overall... I'm not impressed by a guy that took 5 years to make a name in college (Pickett). I'm at least intrigued by Willis, but six is a high price with no current 2nd or 3rd round selections. Corral's frame gives me some pause, he's very slim, so durability over 17 games long term is something I battle with in relation to him. This leads me to Ridder, 40+ wins as a starter, and is trending upwards but is likely not viewed as a 1st rounder based on reports. Desmond Ridder : I think this guy is the move, he's as athletic as any QB in the draft and allows him to elude the rush behind what stands to prove to be an improved OL at the very least from C to RG. He also has the size / frame to get a little bigger, and he has the arm and accuracy to make all the throws at each level of the field. Signing Cam, and just getting what we can, or even just releasing Darnold is the ''ripping off of the band aid'' this team needs. There is nothing to gain from his presence here. Cam rejuvenates the fan base, roster, and gives a legit chance to win games behind an improved OL / roster with actual time to come in and learn the actual offense / build rapport. This allows Ridder to acclimate to the NFL at a pace with less required of him initially and also leaves us with a plan moving forward. I just personally think using the value the 6th has to continue to further solidify the roster is the best move, while having a QB on a rookie deal to move forward with for the next 4 to 5 years so you have the cap / resources to build the best possible roster to compete.

The owner isn't negotiating... GM, and other front office staff negotiate, and that is via the agent. Robbie or likely any player is going to take the agents advice / weigh options. So that's not really a concern.

Pretty sure he is referencing the 3rd year under Rhule, his other profile photo was like a red-shirt, so this doesn't seem like an issue...

He's saying at 6, you'd want more than just a guy at that spot.

I don't think he's going top 5, safeties just don't have top 10 pick impact. QB / LT / Pass Rusher Edge or Interior Those are the top three positions you HAVE to get right. JAX - Hutchinson seems like a lock here (Cam Robinson FT'ed, and Taylor on a rookie deal still) DET - Needs Edge over QB, and OL (Goff, Sewell, Decker) HOU - Needs OL and Edge NYJ - Edge (they've added some good young OL last draft -- Beckton, Verah-Tucker) NYG - Need OL and Edge __________________________________________________________ That leaves us at #6 We will have our pick of the QB's, and possibly one of the top 3 LT's is my guess.

This been my stance since the season wrapped.

This, and I'm NOT a fan til' proven other wise, he seems like just an average NFL QB, no skills / attributes that he offers elite status in which lowers the potential to be really good at the NFL level. Most scouts reference ''enough'' arm strength / athleticism, and I'm not a fan of him being I believe 24, or he'll be turning 24 during TC (Darnold is 24, and has 4 years in the NFL already). I'm not a fan of old rookie QBs -- we're not a playoff competitor with Pickett, so give me upside in a draft pick over the best on day 1, but likely not the best over time.

He's not a ''true LB'er'' he was there because we had NOTHING behind Shaw after Luke retired. With Woods, Chinn will see plenty of ''box'' time as the strong safety position versus being the deep free safety. I dunno why people are so caught up on ''LB'' for him, it's a waste to ask him to engage OL, and shed blocks when it's obvious his speed / pursuit while kept clean is where he excels. Littleton / Wilson / Luvu alongside Shaq will be fine, this allows a more ''versatile'' role for Chinn to play off of that.

What I recall is Hurnwy wanted to trade back, but Rhule wanted Brown. I don’t recall any trade up reports.

So who is succeeding WITHOUT those things currently

You know there was a time when black people couldn't QB, or win SB's -- there is always going to be a 1st, this antiquated way of thinking needs to go on somewhere. We'd have won with Cam if we'd actually decided to game-plan versus the best pass rusher in the league at that time. "Cotchery Caught It'' as we all the NFL making sure they sent Peyton out on a high into the sunset.

Depth, thats what the last two are. Why are people tripping on cheap depth

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