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You Wilson nut huggers don't seem to get it, you're not DRAFTING THE SCHOOL the young man plays at, you are drafting the player, stats, D1, 2 etc. is great to argue about, but at the end of the day does the young man have NFL talent. Lance does, anyone that breaks the film down can attest, he's going to have the ability to survive behind a weak OL, and similar to Fields not only can he make all the throws, he can be a featured part of the run game. Wilson is talented, but you're not drawing up designed runs for him. With a weaker OL the offense will need layers, when you have to worry about a mobile QB that can finish runs, CMC, and Robby, and DJ as well that opens up the offense and alleviates pressure on the OL with the right calls by the OC. Josh Allen is as big as Cam almost (6'5 / 237), and Fields (6'3 / 228), and Lance (6'4 / 226 ) are right there as well, they are built to take NFL hits / sacks. That part of the game is inevitable, Wilson is built closer to Teddy Bridgewater at 6'3 under 210, that's a big difference when you consider a players availability. When guys play at lower levels you want to see the DOMINATE the competition like Chinn did at a small school, and like Lance did at NDSU. Fields then Lance are my preferences whether by trade or one being available at #8. Wilson is talented, but for me he's too small. Even Brady is listed at 6'4 / 225. You cannot be thin back there taking these hits.

In a trade up scenario give me Fields, has an NFL ready frame (Wilson is built similar to Teddy), has the big arm, and elite athleticism. Should allow for more offensive variety allowing pressure to be taken off of what is likely to be a below average OL next year with all the holes we have.

No real difference than Josh Allen out of a smaller school in Wyoming, and he was 7th overall...Baker and Donald went ahead of him, then Rosen at 10. That's when you have to believe you have the staff in place to 1) develop, and 2) put real weapons, and OL around a young QB talent to let him mature. If we could keep our picks, and Lance was available at 8 I'd be happy, his stock would be higher if he'd had a 2020 season. Elite athleticism, and arm talent to go with our full slate of picks allows us to trade back in the subsequent rounds with more opportunities to land some quality rookies.

Considering we were willing to shop #8 and then some for Stafford, I think this regime will do all it can to trade up and draft the next face of the franchise. #3, or #5 since a trade with ATL at #4 is out of the question. I still can't see NYJ taking a QB at #2, Darnold was billed highly and NYJ has been a dumpster fire since he's been there from a coaching perspective, with some knock it out the prospects available if I'm the NYJ I'm inclined to pick a stud (Sewell / Smith / Chase), or trade back and accumulate more picks inside the top 10-15 if a partner is available since they have a franchise capable yet to be proven QB on the roster with three years left at rookie pay.

Don't want any of them, Fields, or Lance are my preference. They have star+ potential, and elite NFL athleticism to go with their arm talent. Considering we will be building the OL over a year or so, a guy that can escape and make plays off schedule is a must.

You take the QB, it's been made clear that TB isn't it, and the 2022 QB class is limited, we are likely not picking inside the top 10 again next off-season. You take the QB while he's there, we're going to have substantial cap space after this season.

In a normal FA period you can't pay all those guys what the woudl normally cost: AB - Minimum contract after he ruined his own value Fournette - Minimum contract after he pulled a Moss in JAX and got released Suh - Aging vet at less than premium Gronk - at a respectable rate after a trade of a 4th TB12 - at 25M, which is substantially less than the current QB ''re-sign'' market value which is 35M+ for ''franchise QB's''

Ian Thomas was solid when he replaced Olsen in 2018 as a rookie, Teddy, or this offense just don't feature TE usage. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4045305/ian-thomas Then 2019 Olsen returns, and Cam is hurt all year, and in 2020 he's the 5th option if that with a QB that doesn't look past the sticks hardly.

Playing versus a team with no OL wins championships

That's how they rig it...

Because Teddy can't lead receivers on the vertical route...even Robbie voiced it in his final presser, and I paraphrase ''hopefully we can do more with me DOWN THE FIELD''. Go look it up when you get time.

Because there are no tackle reserves in the NFL. Think about how long even Byron Bell hung around after being cut. It's a real lack of talent, so damn near anyone with ''tackle experience'' is considered for a roster. It's why I can see the trade up for Little, maybe he has busted but he had high grades from pretty much all scouting sources, and the thing is if he'd worked out that's a solid tackle on a rookie deal. We haven't HAD the cap to pay a upper tier T, so that was the only move we had, and the guy Buffalo got is a pure RT, not a left. IMO, we should have taken Ford, and moved Moton to LT as he played that in college as well. It's why we traded for Okung, one to get away from Trai's 2 remaining years versus Okung's 1 remaining year opening more cap sooner, and he was actually a quality LT. He was just injured all damn year.

Lol, Chiefs didn't overlook the OL, they had THREE STARTERS out due to injury. Depth at the OL is nigh impossible to cover that many injuries on any team since quality OL that aren't being paid are scarce. It was a fortunate matchup for TB, and one any seasoned football fan could see before the game started, similar to our defense in 2013 with the Hardy / Johnson duo, sit on the short routes, and let the front eat. That's what TB did, because the injuries allowed them too.

You can't do well in the redzone if the QB doesn't throw it into the endzone...

Our 1st, and a day 2 or 3 pick is not the farm. I wasn't a fan of that, but it's hard to argue he wouldn't be better THIS year than who we would get at 8 if a QB.

Josh Allen was boom or bust, many at the time felt similar about Mahomes (10th overall), you can't hit a homerun if you don't swing the bat! Give me potential and upside with + athleticism, and let the coaches do what they are paid millions to do!

Then pay him over TB if they can't do better than a TB quality QB. Doubt there is a huge market for him, could even see a return to NE as the main option aside from staying in IND. Just don't see them trading for TB.

Doubt it, they still have Jacoby Brissett who people could argue is better than TB or at the very least a lateral move, and they took Jacob Eason last year. If they make a QB move it's for a clear upgrade.

While still on the hook for TB's dead money so this makes no sense. Even when it came to Stafford, no one is trading for TB to lessen his hit on the books. Makes sense to draft a QB whether we trade up, or at #8 if Lance is there, and have the rookie sit for a 1/4 or 1/2 of the season; and then let them play it out. TB's cap hit after 2021 is 5M dead money, if we move on from him this off-season it's 20M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/teddy-bridgewater-14441/ We don't have the cap to waste on that amount of dead money after what we just went through this past off-season and jettisoning veterans and taking the cap hits.

So now that the Stafford domino has fallen, is this still viable or will a guy like Lance be there at #8...

No.

Jones is like every other ALA QB, product of the environment. And for those acting like mobile / athletic QBs can't deliver the ball that is just an ignorant perspective. Lance, Fields, can deliver from the pocket, the athleticism and mobility is just a + I don't want a 1-dimensional QB, outside of Brady / Brees / Rodgers, the most successful teams have a guy that can move and extend plays at a high level + turn the corner on a defense. (Mahomes, Jackson, WIlson, Tannehill, many forget he was WR)

I can't lie, these decisions are both sus, you HAD Cam who is better than Stafford, who can't even be compared to TB, and you come full circle willing to give up #8 on a QB older than Cam with just as much wear and tear WHO HAS NEVER WON A POST-SEAON GAME...after cutting a QB who was less expensive than both of these two... Rams saved us from ourselves, you never shop hungry, I'm ok with trading up for a QB since the salary of a rookie QB is that valuable IF you get the pick right, I see no point in a kings ransom for DW if we lose top picks for several years and are on the hook with a 35+M QB, and no cap flexibility to bring in quality free agents. I feel like that point is over-looked by so many.

I want a young QB, and that contract, use that additional cap over the next 3 years to field the best team possible.