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We need to stay at 33, unless we also get a 1st next year to offset the absence of our 2nd round pick. IMO use 33, and 39 to bring in legitimate talent at - WR / C / Edge -- and CB if we don't sign / plan to sign Gilmore as a band-aid. 

We need to adding the best possible talent we can, trading back should be an option, not a foregone conclusion. 

This trade scenario is booty cheeks.

Next. 

14 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

Blocking isnt going to change the fact that his passes beyond about 20 yards are wildly inaccurate, the same thing was true in college.  

https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2022/2/16/22937561/superlatives-2021-alabama-crimson-tide-football-report-card-quarterbacks-plenty-of-room-to-grow

Accuracy.

Bryce Young was easily the least accurate starter Alabama has had since Jalen Hurts.

Last season, he completed just 2/3rds of his passes (66.9%) — the lowest for a ‘Bama starter since 2017, when Jalen Hurts completed 61% of his throws. Before that? You have to go back to 2007, when John Parker Wilson was running for his life behind a bad line and an unsteady running game (holy poo, déjà rêvé).

There were many reasons for that stat. Drops by wide receivers were certainly a factor, and especially as the Tide got further into its depth chart. And so what the line. But much of Byrce’s stat line was the product of simple execution errors. Young’s early-season deep ball accuracy was especially a concern, and it took most of a season for that aspect of his game to be wrinkled out. On throws over 20 yards, Young “improved” by year’s end hit 36% of his deep shot. It was so bad early, in fact, that coming out of the LSU game, he had completed just 10 such throws all season.

By contrast, Tagovailoa and Jones hit between 49% — 59% of their deep balls.

I'd like to see his numbers when they had Jameson Williams....versus a guy in Burton who's looking at Day 2 at best.

Context is always important...most articles explain in 22' without Bryce that much weaker ALA team doesn't make a bowl game. 

We lacked the scheme, and protection to consistently challenge vertically, we will see. 

Stroud had a knock on his playmaking we found that was false, deep accuracy is also timing and reps. You can't say we had an offense that lended itself to that. 

3rd at the earliest, LBer is not an immediate need with Shaq, and Jewell penciled in as starters, all but inked. 

Non-issue why are we talking about guys no longer here...

Let's talk about relevant Panthers info.

31 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Yes with the qb play last year it was impossible to evaluate him. 

That QB play got a 32, 33 year old receiver over 1k yards, with an OL that wasn't much help. 

The blind hate is wild, go watch the QB School breakdowns and at least educate yourselves. The scheme was straight ass.

14 hours ago, mc52beast said:

I’m trusting that Evero can take this D and mold it into something special. Look at what he had to do last year with a literal MASH unit. 
 

Im concerned about Canales and how he will handle HC duties. He’s a proven QB whisperer but i wasn’t really impressed by his offense in TB. 

It was an offense expected to do little with Baker Mayfield...who was again competing with Trask.

Canales coached an offense that turned Bakers career around, and won a playoff game for a conservative DEFENSIVE minded coach in Bowles. 

I don't have unrealistic high hopes, but I do have optimism in the chance to see more competent offensive play. We lost so many games last year simply due to offensive ineptitude. 

I'd say we are off to a good start, Corbett at Center is not something I take issue with considering 1) he has played the position in the NFL before, and 2) would have an entire off-season to acclimate. 

Mays, and Zavala are each day 3 picks so they are decent depth in a pinch, I think we need one more Day 2 caliber addition to compliment Yosh, and BC, and I think that comes in Rd 2 or 3.

If we traded 33, and one of our 5ths that would be -- 615 pts on the JJ chart, so we could jump into that last three picks of the first ''if'' there was someone there we really liked, and coveted a 5th year option. 

We could get that pick back by trading back in Rd 3 or 4 to stay at 7 total picks, or maybe they trade back multiple times from the 3rd round on, considering the thoughtful aggression so far this off-season I think it may still be prudent to keep an eye on day one of the draft. 

43 minutes ago, shaq said:

Lol a late first round pick who is still on the team since getting drafted in 2015… and has been a starter most of his career and our leader in recent years. He has far exceeded his draft position, most players fail to even get a second contract.

This, pretty sure he was the 25th pick that year, and made a PB.

He has been good throughout the years quite honestly, he's also done his part financially.

IIckey who I believe in would have the largest impact combined with the OL upgrades. 

Honorable mention to me is Mingo, people forget he's 6'2, 220, and runs in the 4.4s...him making a leap with the addition of DJ would bode well for Bryce tapping his. 

21 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Too slow on the draw.  While other teams were gobbling up TES the first day of FA, we were signing guards.  The pickings are very slim now.

G > TE

1 minute ago, chknwing said:

panthers cant afford him. He was on a 3 year $60 million contract with LA.  Carolina isn't giving him more than half that

He's coming off an ACL tear, so his leverage is gonna be limited to a certain degree. 

I'd imagine a deal similar to what Odell got no matter where he lands. 

I'd say Fields dynamic ability is attractive, but his passing is too inconsistent. 

Factor that with we traded up for Bryce, there's no way they'd invite that media circus here. 

I'm not as low on Sanders as some, he and Chubba were both under 4 ypc under the last regime. 

Chubba - 3.8 (1 FUMB) - https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4241416/chuba-hubbard

Sanders - 3.3 (2 FUMB) - https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4045163/miles-sanders

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In my estimation the scheme / personnel were simply the issue because in 2022, and we won't even bring up Sanders (then) or even Swift (most recently) behind the PHI OL.

Chuba behind ours in 2022 averaged 4.9 ypc, so even he averaged 1 yard less YPC in 2023. 

Last season offensively was a complete cluster, and while the personnel is still being put together it's hard to argue that really both of those guys suffered from the same issues this past season as neither was really better or worse than the other. 

It simply felt worse because they went out and spent some decent money on Miles, and Chuba is a 5th round guy that has improved since a rough rookie season.

1 or 4 down, with the Wonnum signing.

Is he better than Brian...no, but he also costs 5x less, and is unlikely to have a season 5x worse than what Brian does in NY.

I know a lot was made of the Burns deal and lack of return, but it's common sense that when a team is gonna pay a guy -- 150/5 -- the trade investment will be less....should we have traded Burns maybe, but we also expected to retain him for less than the referenced amount. I lead with that to get into the following as his absence opened up 24M in the additional cap, and it looks like it is being put to good use....

The Defense:

(* represents free agent)

DL - Brown / Tuttle / Robinson*

Edge - Johnson, Barno (TBD - Clowney*, Wonnum*, Young*)

ILB - Shaq, Jewell*

CB - Horn, Jackson*

Nickel - Hill

FS - Woods

SS - (TBD - Fuller*)

With Clowney, Wonnum, Young, and Fuller all visiting today / this week, we will possibly sign some combination of the four. For the sake of the exercise, just looking at those names in those positions above it's hard not to say this would be an improvement over last years personnel even with the absence of Brian. Not to mention the potential to add a piece or two within our first few top 100 selections. 

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The Offense:

(* represents free agent -- ** represents a trade)

QB - Young, Dalton

HB - Sanders, Hubbard, Blackshear

WR - Johnson**, Thielen, Mingo, ISM, Marshall

TE - Tremble, Thomas

T - Ickey, Moton

G - Hunt*, Lewis*

C - Corbett

It's been a lot of commentary as to ''what is the plan'' I think anyone paying attention should see the plan is beginning to show itself, Morgan, and company have taken an ''inside, out'' approach to this free agency. The first three acquisitions were all positions closest to the ball on each respective side. Two guards, and an interior defensive lineman. 

From there the next acquisitions were -- ILB, CB, traded for a receiver 

If you believe in a more ''traditional'' approach to building a team this is the format, it stands to reason skill positions will likely be the focus of the draft with some depth interior pieces added per side of the ball. 

It will be interesting to see how all of this comes together over the Spring, but once you get past the Burns trade, and look at the comparison of Jewell to Luvu, it's easy to feel better about the decisions that are currently being made, especially if they close on a couple of the edge guys visiting currently. 

13 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

I just can't stop looking at 94 targets for 574 yards lol. That's horrible

It was a 3rd / 4th string caliber QBs til murray returned.

Something to keep in mind.

14 hours ago, Basbear said:

Has the team added or lost more talent with all the moves?

Very simple....Bonus its very easy to pick the correct answer!

The talent that was here was apart of losing seasons dating back to 2020, and some prior...

We just came off a 2-15 season moving on from guys that are 27+ years old, and in some cases (Jackson) were average AT BEST is not a big deal....

Burns is a bit over-rated - #2 DE money is insane, but he got it

Jackson couldn't cover anyone over 6'

Bell is replaceable

Luvu is a fan favorite, but 12M a year for a guy who is LB #2 and was never better overall in comparison to Shaq is also too much...he is also a coverage liability, he's serviceable there, but he's a down hill player, that's tough and plays hard. Every team needs guys like that, but not at 12M annually.

42M just for Brian and Luvu....nah man that's not it. 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Morgan wanted to keep Burns and not deal him to the Rams for multiple first round picks.  Guys like Dan Morgan are why we are where we are today. 

The situation then was not the same as today, those firsts were two, and three years away respectively at the time. And it stands to reason they believed they would get Brian resigned, but once he started talking 2nd overall DE money conversations crumbled and here we are. 

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's no way I pull the trigger on that Burns trade this early for that little in return. Do them like the Jets did us with Darnold. You know they want him, make them sweat. Make them negotiate against themselves. You're not gonna end up coming away with LESS than a 2nd and 5th.

Honestly, Tepper's quick trigger finger on firings hurts us strategically. Everyone is thinking about NOW because there's no guarantee you have a job tomorrow much less next year. Oh, you're offering me a 1st next year? Hell, I'd rather have a 5th this year. I think I'll at least be able to make that pick.

You also run the risk of them paying a Danielle Hunter (16.5 sacks in 2023, only 29 Burns is 27 iirc), or going elsewhere, we didn't have leverage, and with Burns gone, our cap jumped even after the acquisitions. 

Per OTC - $25,483,547 in cap at the moment AFTER the initial signings, and we have well over 90M in 25' to help spread out extensions / signings. 

I like Burns as much as the next but not for 30M on average, is way too much, and that money is better spent building up the team in general.  

On 3/6/2024 at 10:03 AM, Jon Snow said:

Lol. This team is not winning 6 or more games. They will be lucky to win 3 games.

I'd say this is a little pessimistic, coaching failed us in at least 1-3 games this past season. Five games won is a possibility, ''lucky to win three'', I'm not going that far. 

6-6 with Darnold / Walker, McAdoo, and journeyman HB's with just one WR in Moore won't allow me to COMPLETELY sell on a functional offense in 24'. 

The OL in my opinion regressed because Frank came in and tried the ''my offense'' approach versus building on what we actually did well. 

The difference between renegotiating, and restructuring seems to be lost on some. 

An extension would save money because you'd have more seasons to spread out the guarantees. 

Moton needs to stay, especially some consistency concerns with Ickey heading into yr 3.

Dunno why people just don't post it...

All y'all that wanna trade him to "get what we can" will be the same ones complaining about no pass rush.

Burns, Brown, need to be built around ESPECIALLY while we have a rookie QB contract. 

Having more picks is just lottery tickets when you know you have a capable player. I would not pay elite money, but he deserves an extension. 

22 minutes ago, CRA said:

OL was decent when asked to play football like it was 1990.  To an extent that's still a problem given that's not what you want to do in the year 2024.

Exaggerate much....1990...having a Power run attack with a 230 LB back is what MADE sense, we literally became a top running team.

1 hour ago, frankw said:

But he hasn't.

If he had he wouldn't have finished with the lowest yards per attempt of the last 20 years.

So are we just going to ignore the absence of receivers that can separate, and the absence of a consistent, and reliable deep threat?

What about the regression of the OL limiting time to throw down field?

There were a lot of factors at play, and quite honestly we probably don't win a game without Bryce executing the comeback drives.

Are people really so locked in on hating Bryce for whatever reason that the facts are continuously ignored as to the offense as a whole?