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25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What is the QB's job after the snap? You said he's supposed to read the defense not predict the future. Literally I've of the dumbest things I've ever seen a football fan say. It's almost as if you have no idea that NFL defenses routinely disguise their intentions pre-snap. 

 

You’re right I’ve never watched or played. You win.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Stop embarrassing yourself. You've already stated that you think a QB's job ends with the pre-snap read. Literally one of the dumbest football takes to ever be voiced.

That’s not what that my post meant but you can spin poo however you want I’m done with you.

how tf are you a mod.

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Your post was extremely dumb. So I guess you thinking I'm consistently the worst poster here is a badge of honor.

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's very obvious to anyone that understands football but don't tell the Copium Few.

Okay captain hindsight football genius. Tell us what should have been done with that LB showing blitz?

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is a hilariously bad take. The QB's job is to effectively execute the play, period. If you're getting consistently fooled by pre-snap defensive disguises you're not gonna make it long in the NFL.

I mean I can’t force you to have perspective. But you are consistently the worst poster on here so I don’t know what I expected.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It doesn't matter how high your football IQ is if you don't have the physical tools to deliver on it. 

I'm honestly not sure he's nearly as cerebral on the field as folks want to believe. Last night during the game thread on our final drive I pointed out that that Bryce was throwing to the same basic area every play and that if the Bears were smart they'd just camp a defender there. Well, they actually did one better. They had a LB give a blitz look pre-snap on 3rd down and then drop back into a robber position right there in the middle of the field 6-8 yards deep where Bryce had been throwing the ball every play. Bryce threw it right to him and he dropped it. The Bears 100% sprung a trap on Bryce and he never saw it coming. I thought they were being dumb letting us have that play over and over several times but they were actually playing chess against checkers. They were setting Bryce up to expect that to be open and to bait him into throwing a pick. He stumbled right into the trap and the defender just botched it. That's not high level cerebral stuff from your super processor QB.

The QBs job is to read the defense as it’s being shown, not to predict the future. The LB kept showing blitz even when the ball was snapped. He ran up, engaged with a lineman and then backed out last second. Bryce threw the ball to the part of the field that the blitz was coming from, as he should have. 
 

edit: Also Bryce is 21 years old and seeing new looks every week. He needs time to learn.

3 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

Agree. I’m sick of hearing comparisons to historical outliers. Aikman, Elway, Brees, Manning. Those guys are among the best to ever play the game. There’s nothing to compare and it’s really irrelevant to this discussion.

And you would not have said that about them in their rookie season. That’s the entire point.

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

When the team says Bryce is the best option but the eye test says differently, it's not an anomaly. It's stupidity on full display. 

And you want him to get experience how?

Just now, KillerKat said:

Dalton still has played better than any game Bust Young has played.

A 10+ year vet has played a better game than a rookie in his 7th start? 
 

Wow what an anomaly. 

2 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Pull Young out. He's playing like trash. Put in Dalton. I'd don't care what we traded away for Young. He can try to unseat Dalton.

You think dalton is doing anything right now getting sacked on 25% of his drop backs?

3 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

Let me ask you this. Everyone used to talk about how DJ Moore wasn’t a true number or wasn’t worth a big contract etc

(I personally really liked him and his skill set)

It seems the front office felt a QB was more important than a dynamic receiver.

So how is it that we upgraded at RB, TE1 and our WRs minus DJ Moore (we cut Shi Smith who caught passes and scored TDs for example) yet are significant worse on offense.

Was DJ Moore really the reason why we were able to throw for more than 150 yards in a game?

I don’t think we upgraded at RB or WR. Even if you’re counting Chark as an upgrade he’s only played one game with limited snaps.

We’re 2 games into the season, in a new offense, with a rookie QB, and injuries to the offensive line. It’s way too small of a sample size to get any meaningful takeaways from the passing game. Even later in the season last year there were multiple sub 175 passing yard games.

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

I feel like some of these are really low… no?

bottom one is receiving yards 

Yea I took a few of those. 
 

also took a lottery pick on mingo 82+ for +1800

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I see the worry on D too. I don't see the "oh Bryce will be fine I'm not worried about him at all" mentality I'm seeing from a lot of Panthers fans. I'm not saying he's a bust in the least but he didn't okay well in week one. He definitely didn't okay like the super processing, totally NFL ready QB I expected to see.

Yea Bryce needs to play better. I don’t think another 3 turnover game for the offense is likely. His processing wasn’t really the issue on those two ints. Based on the defense, the safety should have been deeper so he processed that part correctly.

Let’s see if he can make amends this week or if he repeats mistakes.

35 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Seems kinda odd since the D only gave up 221 total yards last week and held the Falcons to 2-10 on 3rd down while Bryce only threw for 148 yards on 30 attempts and threw 2 INTs to account for both of our turnovers and fumbled once on top of that, albeit it was recovered.

We had 3 turnovers. Sanders fumbled. 
 

Ridder is not Carr and Henderson is not Horn. I see the worry on D. 

2 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

 

 

• Thielen is most likely spending the week in Bryce’s ear. Thielen should have over 100 yards on Sunday and potentially 2 TDs… you be the judge

 

 

 

 

 

This is why we need speed. It takes about 4 seconds for Thielen to get open here. That's way too long.

51 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Better opponent...

Strong defense...

Way more experienced quarterback...

Down an important player...

And the growing pains won't all just work themselves out in one week.

Oy

There's plenty of reason to believe we could come out of next Monday looking worse than we did this past Sunday.

I say "adjust your expectations', but the people who have reasonable ones don't need to hear that...and the ones who don't won't listen anyway.

The coaches are in a tough spot this week. 

They need to be able to run the ball to take some pressure off Bryce and give him some PA opportunities. I’m not sure if they’ll be able to stick to that game plan unless the defense creates some extra possessions.

I have a feeling we’ll be playing from behind early. I trust Bryce in the long run, hopefully these first few games don’t shake his confidence.

Yea I’m expecting a tough game this week with or without Chark.

I expect the defense to struggle more with Henderson replacing Horn, and that will put our offense in tough situations. 

8 minutes ago, trucpfan said:

Dam I was getting worried but those two players really change what we can do offensively. I can’t wait to BY with his weapons even though they’re not elite pieces we may see something special when we open up the playbook and scheme guys open. Glad neither are headed to PUP or anything even close.

Yea the most recent QB School episode showed how badly the offense needs those guys to be healthy. I think having Sanders back is a boost as well.

21 minutes ago, BeenPounding said:

Marshall practiced today, so he is likely good to go.  Haynes is fully expected back by week 1.  Chark is the one I am worried about.  He may go on IR after Tuesday.  I'm nearly certain that we pick up an OL help and cut Irving before his contract is guaranteed.

One, if not two of those TE's is going to be cut.  Most likely Sullivan with an injury designation so he could possibly be resigned or added to the PS.

Wright is a big question mark.  Maybe since there haven't been any real eye opening receivers cut they are just waiting until the last possible second so he can go to the PS.

The D-line could also be altered since a few of those guys are not subject to waivers as well.  Our top guys, Tuttle, Brown, Williams are obviously safe.

Chark practiced today too.

Building his brand

14 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Corral is a running QB, dual threat. Bryce isn't and shouldn't.

They are almost equal throwers with Corral ahead in completion percentage and yards per play and QB rating.

Young is missing half of Corrals, ARs, and Levis' game, not a ground threat, those guys are.

Half the size, half the QB, terrible pick for #1, maybe good value at 15-30, not enough elite traits beyond what's in his head to be expected to excel.

wtf are you talking about. Have you watched him play?

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can tell you what I got out of the presser...

1) Both Frank Reich and Scott Fitterer like David Carr. Between the two, Reich sounded more eager and effusive but that's kinda to be expected since it's not his job to worry about what he's getting paid.

2) Fitterer might have tipped his hand a little bit on one thing: If They did sign Derek Carr, they're probably not going to use their first round pick on a quarterback. If they draft a player, the vet would likely be a bridge type.

3) Perhaps most important, those decisions haven't been made yet, but they're being discussed. It could end up going either way.

To me it sounds like they ideally want to trade up before FA starts and if they can’t get a deal done Carr is the fallback.

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

Can anyone tell me what Fitterer has done to deserve staying though the next head coach? What’s his best move? Drafting Icky? Signing some offensive linemen who panned out?

As far as I can see he wasted a ton of resources on Sam Darnold who sucked ass most of the time he played for the Panthers, whiffed on re-signing some key players like Hasaan Reddick, drafted injury prone Jaycee Horn instead of Slater or Justin Fields…

Wait why is he still the GM again? 

Slater was injured most of this season.

let’s see how he does without Rhule.

No false start on a td

I’m hoping for Steichen after seeing how Herbert and Hurts looked under him. I’m fine with Johnson but I prefer to get a coach from a winning team.

I would give up Burns and 2 1sts