CPantherKing

Best QBs in this draft are not on that list. Combine is a joke. Watch film. See how they perform in clutch situations. Make sure they are consistent winners. If those are your standards then you have to scratch Pickett, Willis, and Howell off that list.

No to Baker! Why is it you can assemble a group of fans from every losing NFL team that can outperform their front office in the draft? "Ever wonder why some teams have more success in the draft than others? It’s simple really. The ones that succeed know what they are looking for. The others are just taking any road." - The Daily Coach, Bill Walsh and the Art of Elimination https://thedailycoach.substack.com/p/bill-walsh-and-the-art-of-elimination-741?s=r

They should roll the dice on a mid to late round QB or an unknown. This is the moment you can find that Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, or Jake Delhomme while you wait for the obvious first round franchise QB to appear. If the QB isn't good, you are set up for that true 1st round pick QB. If the QB is good, you have your franchise QB and a likely winner with a year of experience under their belt. When I look at this draft I see a deep backup QB draft. If Mitchell Trubisky, Akili Smith, Jim McMahon, Jay Cutler, Randall Cunningham, Colt McCoy, Tom Brady, and Warren Moon all entered the draft at the same time, you would have the 2022 NFL draft. Tom Brady would still go 4th to 6th round when all scouts look at is who looks good on the field. Winners>Looks

Breaking news Pickett has been using Handstenze. Possible performance enhancing supplement? NFL to decide...

2 Beta QBs competing to be an NFL starter. 38 fumbles in 4 years. Not going to get better in the NFL. And that is the least of his problems/red flags. ... and there's more

They made a division opponent stronger and kept Watson in the AFC. 3 of their games in 2022. Maybe more if they even think they have a shot at the playoffs. They have to be perfect with that pick package and find impact players that will at least counter what they did for the Colts and Browns to be considered a win. Browns or Texans are going to end up the big losers. Colts and NFC South are the immediate big winners. A lesser package and keeping the Browns and Colts down would have meant the Texans could get back on top quicker. Maybe the Texans surprise and land some of the best players in the NFL Draft.

You realize who they may be targeting, right? Cam Newton

Avoided Deshaun Watson and moved Matt Ryan to the Colts. Panthers win. Texans lose.

Fitt/McAdoo: Yeah. That's gonna be a problem. Pass. Rhule: That's my QB guys!!! I found him first with Temple. Am I not a genius? He's going to save my career and make me more money. Pickett: I don't want to play for this Fhule. I told him no with Temple. He won't get a clue. Time to screw up my Pro Day.

Obviously all these teams dealing QBs do not think there is a franchise 1st round QB in the bunch. That includes the Panthers who went after Desahun Watson. So, get a QB, just not with a first round pick. It would be like drafting Sam Darnold or Mitchell Trubisky in the 1st round. Use the 1st round pick on an impact player that starts day 1. You'll be sad when you realize Pickett, Willis, Howell, and Strong can't beat out Darnold in year 1. Ridder and Corral are the only QBs in this overhyped group that have a shot at beating out Darnold imo. They should not be taken in the 1st round. Of all the QBs in the draft. Ridder, Corral, Glass, and Coan have the potential to start year 1.

I think you're going to see Devin Lloyd become the centerpiece to Snow's 33 hybrid defense with that 6th pick. Broncos will likely grab Lloyd at 9 so the Panthers can't trade down if they want Lloyd. That allows Shaq to move to his strongest position at the SOLB role where he and Luvu would rotate. Burns and Littleton man the WOLB. Lloyd would pair with Wilson to take care of the MLB position. Having the coverage ability of both Shaq and Lloyd over the middle would let Chinn and Woods play down inside the box more.

YES. Yes he can!

If you want to go for the miracle season, then you draft Garrett Wilson or Treylon Burks in the first round. I prefer Burks, but I'd be happy with Wilson. The Panthers set the team up for the miracle season early in free agency. OL set up well enough. 5 main targets in the passing game. CMC, Wilson, Moore, Anderson, Zylstra. Need a TE who can consistently threaten with 40 targets (Thomas/Tremble were unable to do this in 2021). Need a #2 RB who can catch in the flat (was Ameer Abdullah, but he is gone). Draft a QB late or find one on a roster/street. Light a fire under them and let them know this is their one shot. They have nothing to lose. Go all in with them. Must be a passionate competitor and natural leader. Glass, Coan, Buechele, Rypien, Foles, Hogan , or Bray would do the job, and one of them gets their opportunity to shine. In Foles case, a second time to shine. Go pass heavy all season and take chances. The small pieces in the TE and #2 back in a pass heavy scheme would be the issue. Hooper and Abdullah would have solved this (Maybe OJ Howard). Kyle Rudolph, Jesse James, Melvin Gordon, and Sony Michel are still on the market. Doubt the staff is moving away from Thomas, Tremble, and Hubbard in these roles and it'll cost the Panthers a couple games. Only reason I would draft a WR in the first round is for a shot at a miracle season when the hot seat is burning under the coach.

I heard the same thing, but I don't trust that source. Sources gonna source lol If you're going to poach QBs because there is not an obvious one, you poach from the Bill Walsh tree. Walsh to Holmgren and now Reid. Same reason I wanted Mark Brunnell and Kurt Warner in 1995 instead of Kerry Collins. I wanted McNair/Brunnell/Warner, Warren Sapp, Ty Law, and Derrick Brooks to start the franchise. Instead, we got Kerry Collins, Tyrone Poole, Blake Brockermeyer, and Shawn King. That gives you Buechele, Foles, Hogan, and Bray. Nothing flashy, but QBs who can win like Brunnell and Warner. Role the dice on one or two of them when you don't see anything great because everything is just flash and fluff. Buechele is being protected by Reid. Foles is on the Bears roster and may be traded. Hogan is on the Titans roster. Titans would be better if they got over Tannehill and went with Hogan. Bray is on the street just like Kurt Warner going into the 1998 season. Winners>Top Prospects (eye candy) 60s: Unitas>Namath 70s: Staubach>Bradshaw 80s: Montana>Elway 90s: Favre>Aikman 2000s: Brady>Manning 2010s: Wilson>Stafford 2020s: TBD? I don't think we will ever learn the lesson history has been teaching us. Everyone likes their shiny QB that looks good over winners and everyone follows the leader.

correction. restructure not re-sign. point stands.

I don't think they re-signed Elf to sit on the bench. He's likely penciled in at starting guard where they wanted him last year. 10 OL on the roster atm. Panthers have Christensen listed as a tackle. Christensen will likely compete with Erving for the starting LT. I wish they would get rid of Erving.

Mariota and Winston? Combined: 138 starts. 76 Ls. 23 game winning drives. They've had their shot. To compare. Stafford: 182 starts. 95 Ls. 42 game winning drives. Good QBs on bad teams are still responsible for 50% of their wins. Next! You want a good overlooked QB on bad teams? Nick Foles: 56 starts. 27 Ls. 13 game winning drives. (on par with Stafford's rate of production at QB) Gardner Minshew: 22 starts. 14 Ls. 4 game winning drives. There is some potential here. The losing % is worrying. Not close to 50%. I'd want to see 12 Ls and 5 game winning drives I'm looking for a QB with a win% above .400 and a w:gwd ratio around 2 or less. Good QB on good teams Tom Brady: 316 starts. 73 Ls. 53 game winning drives. (for comparison)

You sign a SB MLB like Damien Wilson at the age of 29 for experience and mentorship. Possibly temporary starter. The moves point to the Panthers drafting Devin Lloyd or Nakobe Dean. MLB has been the one position they have been silent on as a need and the 1st round championship leaders sitting there for them in Lloyd and Dean. They have addressed the OL. Likely not going OL in 1st round. There is no 1st round QB talent in the draft and there are no signs of moving Darnold. Cam Newton seems to remain an option too. I'm expecting the Panthers to trade down and make the moves to take a LB in the 1st round and then a QB on day 2. LB gets mentored by Wilson and QB competes for the starting job. The defensive signings and roster building feel like Snow is moving primarily to his 33 stack defense from college which he has been messing with the past 2 seasons but has not had the MLB or FS to make it work (they tried to force Shaq and Chinn into these roles and moved them out of position). If the Panthers sign another top safety that can play FS/SS I'm sure we will see the 33 defense used often. They tried using Gilmore in this role as a CB/FS last season, but it just didn't hold up against the run. If they sign another flex safety (say Mathieu... who may or may not be a target): Brown NT, Ioannidis DE(strong), Gross-Matos(weak) Lloyd MLB, Thompson OLB(strong), Burns(weak) FS Mathieu, Chinn SS(strong), Woods SS(weak) CB Horn, Henderson, Jackson Ioannidis can slide to DT, Burns can slide to DE, Chinn can slide to LB on any given play. Snow will have a D that can go from a 44 to a 43 to a 46 to a 34 to a 33 to quarters with an audible. You just need DEs, MLB, and SS who can stop the run while the MLB and SS are able to drop into zone or man coverage for this 33 defense to not get exposed.

Pickett has 1 game winning drive and 5 losses in the last 2 seasons. Not a good ratio given his opportunities. He is not good throwing to the left side of the field. Great at throwing mid to right. Not a QB that will survive against NFL defenses.

Ridder's comp is Randall Cunningham. Ridder is one of 3 QBs I see in this draft that will rack up game winning drives in the NFL. I'd value Ridder as a late 2nd round pick.

https://youtu.be/6cDRYHxT9lY?t=272 Youtube video of Bozeman mic'd up. Enjoy. Would love to see him and Cam Newton interacting during a game. Quality leader on the OL.

Bozeman, Corbett, and keeping Elflein at guard makes the interior OL much better than last year. Elf is now C #3. Finally settling on leaving Christensen at T and using him as a backup G. Wish we could have at least got a 3 year deal with Bozeman, but a lame duck coach only going to get you 1. The OL went from no proven leadership to 2 playoff/SB level OL leaders with Bozeman and Corbett. Expecting the Panthers to pass on an OL in the 1st round and draft 1 or 2 OLs later to compete or at least add depth.

You were correct. Falcons and Saints were leverage meant for the Panthers. Worked on the Browns. Surprised the Browns buckled like they did. Wondering why there is still silence on the Browns side. Must be issues with the Watson contract being reworked. Maybe they still need to move players to make it work? There is no way any team should allow themselves to get walked over by the trading team, player, and agent. Browns going to be Browns. Glad Tepper did not go to this level of franchise implosion. Glad Watson won't be a Panther. I'll feel even better when the Browns speak it into existence. Knew the Texans wanted this to come to a close end of day Friday. Guess the Browns have a lot of clean up to do before their media team puts it out there. I didn't see Watson wanting to be that far from home or a team giving him an entirely new record breaking contract after his terrible 2020 season, his massage baggage, and sitting out for an entire season while being 27 this season and only having about 2 to 3 years before he needs to prove he can be a pure pocket passer. All those extra millions would make you move anywhere and never care about winning a SB.

If the Texans and Browns don't agree to terms by the end of what will be a very long night for them, this deal is falling apart too. I just want Tepper to close the door on Watson already. He's still sitting at the table.

If he can do it, they need to let him show up and give the man some targets.