Madwolf

In regards to Teddy's team history with players and coaches: Teddy was loved in high school. Teddy was loved in Louisville. Teddy was loved in Minnesota. Teddy was loved in New York. Teddy was loved in New Orleans. Teddy was hated in Carolina. Teddy is loved in Denver. One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong. Also, I'm pretty sure our players liked Teddy.

Bull. He's the one driving the QB at any cost, even if they're terrible bus.

Ah yes, last year all over again. "Anything but keeping this guy." *tosses away draft picks and spends money for someone worse. fug Sam, but can we not play the "Second verse same as the first, a little bit louder and a little bit worse" game again? Swallow our pride and suck for a year or two for a QB worth drafting! No more reclamation projects and old and busted guys on their last legs

Tepper. He hired Rhule, and let him get away with hiring this coaching staff which lacked NFL experience. He bid against the Giants for him, but also himself. 2 huge red flags. Furthermore it is without a doubt that Tepper is the one pushing the QB at any cost moves hurting this Franchise. His rebuild remarks are a bold faced lie. IMO Tepper is the Browns owner if old. He's only interested in drafting and signing players that sell t-shirts and jerseys. He's too short sighted to create the real money maker, and that's a winning, playoff caliber football team because that means spending some high draft picks on guys that don't sell jerseys. He's a spoiled rich kid no one ever could tell no.

We traded draft picks, and a cap hit for another backup quality QB who we signed to an extension. Chasing unicorns and we don't even have an offensive line.

QB chasing this year would be foolish. If one is there that's worth the value, and I don't mean "QBs are the most valuable position in the league you have to take one" value, then take them. However, the Panthers would be well served to finally fix their repugnant offensive line problems, especially at LT, than to try a mega-reach on a QB.

He doesn't really do anything for us besides drag our lifeless corpse farther away from a draft pick. We probably don't even make the playoffs with him let alone a Super Bowl. Seems like a waste of investment for a guy who won't be here next year.

Don't know that he holds any value here. Signing him could jeopardize resigning Moore with the money we already have tied up.

The idea that we would trade CMC and 3 1st rounders for Watson is insane. With 3 first rounders and CMC you can get your Franchise LT, QB, and MLB.

We both see the same thing. Even when they try to go grab a QB the asset management is so bad that they're limiting their ability to fix the offense they have, even with a QB.

The most frustrating part of it is we traded one QB with a certain skill ceiling for a QB that seems to have a very similar ceiling. Should have just stuck with Teddy and drafted a QB. Now the plan is basically the same, keep Sam and draft a QB to develop behind him while he takes the hits.

I'd take Norv Turner back.

I miss Jake so much.

I like what Jake has to say, but I'm not sure how likely it is Sam turns it around. He needs an OC that knows how to work with what he's got instead of what he wishes he had and Carolina currently doesn't have that.

Honestly, if they can fix the offensive line, find an OC, and get a rookie QB they're not that terribly far away.

I just don't see the talent there at LBer and OL to think we're close. Those two areas are vital to us getting over the hump outside of QB.

A lot of what you said isn't wrong, but Tepper said a 5 year rebuild, but the team's actions have greatly contradicted that. We've moved from one "win now" hell to another between Marty and Tepper. Before we were just tossing washed up defensive linemen and bad contracts onto the fire. Now we're tossing any QB we can get our hands on and draft picks into the fire. This isn't a team on a 5 year rebuild until their actions say they are.

For me the problem is, and always has been vision. The only thing anyone can tell me for certain about this team and it's plan for the future is: "Carolina wants a Franchise QB." Any middle schooler could tell you that's something a football team would want. And that fact that it's all we have is embarrassing. The only vision we seem to have in FA and the draft outside of wanting a QB seems to be how many tickets and jersey a player or position sells. Drafting Marshall was only exciting, since we were neglecting glaring holes for a luxury pick, if you don't resign Anderson. The writing was on the wall, clear as day to be seen. And Marshall is a GOOD player to take when taken alone by himself. But then our noodle brained FO and owner went out and resigned Anderson. And why? For what? The Panthers need a list and plan beyond QB. There are layers of talent, and asset management that get you to the playoffs, and a Super Bowl beyond priority #1.

The thing that always irked me about Darnold was that we could have had a similar prospect in Minshew for less given up. We paid the "he's a former 1st rounder" price for a guy who had shown plenty of what he already was.

I'm not so sure about that. During the Clausen era we had less talent and a lame duck coach. I mean, Fox was a better coach than Rhule IMO, but his final year was brutal thanks to Ownership and the FO.

The NFL has always been a QB driven league. Go back through every Super Bowl from this year to 1966 and tell me how many times the QB wasn't good. It's very, very little. You cannot continually sacrifice all you have, and cut yourself down to the bone over and over again in pursuit of a QB. You build as much as you can, and if the time comes, take a swing for the fences if you have to make a trade up. But this idea that you swing, even on these fringe prospects, and hope that one of them just magically flips the script isn't a winning formula. The Browns did it for decades.

I mean he's not really wrong. If you're out of the playoff hunt, selling isn't a bad thing. The problem is who does this team sell? It's very young and that's where most of our talent lies, so selling isn't appealing either. The only guy that might make sense is Jackson, but that's probably a dumb move. Outside of that you can probably try and dump Paradis and Anderson for anything you can take, which is probably nothing.

Let's think about it from a QB perspective in the Tepper tenure at Carolina: 2018-2019 and Cam Newton: Carolina has a franchise QB in Cam Newton with an injury history. They reward that by not finding any offensive line talent to protect him, and don't invest in a TE to make his job easier. The Panthers toss Newton under the bus on his way out of town. Even if getting rid of him was the right choice, the Panthers handled it poorly. 2020 and Teddy Bridgewater: The Panthers hire a pass first coaching staff, and follow up that commitment by bringing in a QB that experienced a horrific injury. They commit to him by bringing in a very injury prone LT, and bringing in no TE to make his life easier. The game plan abandons the run, and puts more and more pressure on a their QB behind an awful offensive line. The QB and Coaching staff toss each other under the bus. 2021 and Sam Darnold: After trying for every QB available, the Panthers finally cut a deal for Sam Darnold. They reward their new signal caller with another minimal effort off-season in the offensive line, and they do sign a decent TE, and they draft a FB/TE from Notre Dame. They follow it up by committing to a pass happy offense, trading away the TE, and aggressively perusing another QB. There is a hint of the coaching staff tossing each other under the bus now, and the relationship with Darnold may be headed that direction as well, before the half way point of the season is even here. The Final Underlying Message: Throughout it all, the Panthers have shown a commitment to pursue a Franchise QB without any concern about what happens after. Through 3 different pursuits, and a trade the Panthers have shown a willingness to part with 3 years worth of very valuable draft picks that could help fix their glaring issues, especially that of protecting the QB. Knowing all of that, and in a world where you're Watson and the scandal didn't happen, why would you want to come here? The Carolina Panthers have shown time and time again that they have no long game, and they have no interest in protecting their investment in any significant way shape or form. You a fodder for this organization, and you will be sacrificed on the alter of ticket sales until you're no longer relevant and the next sacrifice to the blood gods must be found to be offered up behind this offensive line. The sad fact is, playing QB in Carolina right now is a career killer. If we did it to Cam Newton, we'll do it to anyone else. And Sam and Teddy's situation is glaring proof of that.