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Down and distance might dictate the position also. Running downs he might be lined up at DE and obvious passing downs he might slide over to the middle. Also if we are a 3-4 base does that mean when we go to nickel, we might see some 3-3-5?

But Tepper is hard to work for and it might be hard to find coaches…… Not saying these guys are going to work but that narrative was so stupid. With that being said I do like the choices and I also feel like we have some people in place that should know a thing or two about QBs, which finding our long term answer at QB should be this organizations #1 goal right now.

I think I can use common sense and not depend on reporters to form my opinions for me. It becomes easy to continue this narrative that really isn’t born in fact. It becomes low hanging fruit to take shots at a guy when a team has struggled. Name the most important things to most coaches when looking at a job from what they want out of ownership, pay, job security and leaving them alone on football decisions. He had pretty much excelled on those facets. Any qualities he might have that could be difficult to work with are probably pretty far down the list of deciding factors. Either way, the proof is in the results.

I know he isn’t the young shiny OC type that so many people wanted but you could make the argument that his resume is better than Reich’s and definitely Wilks. There is no guarantee these guys will mesh and/or the players will excel but in paper you have to appreciate the process this time.

But Tepper is hard to work for…. He overpays his coaches, he stays out of the football decisions for the most part, and he is overly patient with coaches. The narrative that he was hard to work for and his personality would be some huge hinderance to attract coaches would stupid from the start and was largely agenda based.

are you trying to win the draft or win games? sooner or later, you need a QB. Nobody is saying overreach but the fact is at some point you have to gamble some. Unless you have the top pick in a generation QB class there will almost always be better non QBs available.

I really like the hire but to keep things in perspective I decided to look at some stats from his last year and compare it to Snow's last full season. Rush yards per game Snow: 113.8, Evoro 109.8 Rush yards per attempt: Snow: 4.1, Evoro: 4.3 Pass yards per game Snow: 192, Evoro: 210.2 Points per game Snow: 23.8, Evoro: 21.1 NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Passing Yards per Game | TeamRankings.com

So pick one of the other guys. That’s my point, if you are waiting for a sure thing, it might never happen.

Whats the alternative? Sooner or later yiu have to gamble. Unless you have that #1 pick, and it just happens to be the rare year there is a Luck or Lawrence type of prospect it’s almost always a gamble. We could go more tank mode and increase our chance of what is perceived as a better prospect but that doesn’t seem to be the path they want to go. Last year you kept saying you didn’t want to gamble because this year had better prospects. I'm not saying totally waste a pick on a guy you don’t have faith in but for the most part you have to gamble sooner or later.

Know how I know I don't care you know. Doesn't change the fact of what i said. Since Tepper has been here we've made some stupid short term moves.

we've been trying to make a run at for a while now. We should be focused on finding a long-term answer at QB, then you can make a run at every year.

but they didn't, or at least relative to the rest of the league they didn't as much.

you said our personnel sucks in run support, based on what? This narrative that has been spun by misinformed fans? What metric are you actually basing that on? Because you if you look at the actual stats we are far from one of the worst teams in the league and actually in some regards we are among the best.

The irony is that both of them are a bit similar in that they are high ceiling guys in regard to physical tools. You have to ask why the production didn't always line up with the tools though. In AR's case his accuracy is really bad, but with age and lack of playing time of the position there is some hope there for improvement. With Levis you have to ask why he struggled at times? Can you blame it on the team around him, is it stuff he can still improve at this age? If all things were equal I would probably take AR at 9. If you going to gamble lets swing for the fences. Personally, I don't think both will be there at 9, I think if we stay put the board will dictate who we draft. I think the real question for the FO will be do you trade the farm to move up to 1-2 to make sure you get your guy or stay put and be ok with whoever is left of the 4. I'm leaning towards maybe staying put.

Lets look at facts: Snow's first season was 2020, our rank for yards allowed per game for 2020, 2021, and 2022 was 18th, 18th, and 18th. So pretty close to middle of the pack. BTW, 2019 which was Ron's last year we were 29th. NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Rushing Yards per Game | TeamRankings.com Yards per game can be a bit misleading, bad teams tend to give up a lot of yards per game not just because they are bad against the run but they are often behind so teams run more on them to chew clock. So, let's look at yards per attempt. For 2020-2022 we were 28th, 8th, and 12th in the league in yards allowed per attempt. Speaking of Ron, in 2019 we were 32, which is dead last in the league. NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Rushing Yards per Game | TeamRankings.com So Snow took a team, changed the formation and personnel and went from last in the league to top 10 in two years against the run, on a per rush attempt basis. I'm not saying Snow was some great DC, but this idea that his methodology and personnel decisions suddenly made us one of the worst teams in the league against the run is just flat wrong.

The problem with these questions is that none of know for sure who is really making the decision. Maybe Reddick was Rhule's idea. Maybe Fitt was actually telling Rhule that Darnold was a bad idea. I doubt any of us really know. I do know this though. Since Rhule first showed up, and even after he left with Fitt in charge we have consistently thought short term. Whether its Bridgewater, Darnold, not trading Burns, not playing the comp pick game, trading for Gilmore, and the list goes on. Being self aware might be one of the most important qualities any decision maker can have. In Fitts defense, so far he has shown two qualities that I really do like. He has shown a willingness to trade down, which over time tends to be a smart play historically speaking. Also, he seems to value positional value, which is something our last regime didn't' seem too as much. Drafting is an inexact science. Even the best miss more than they hit, but if your process is sound, there is a good chance you will be better than most.

you mean objectively?

Bias much?

In your mind it might be enough to get it done, but in the real world it won't happen and they wouldn't take it, imo.

I didn't way there was, but he might have wanted to if we would have hired a rookie coach. Like one of the "hot" OCs.

possible. but even among "typical" GMs there is some variance of how much control they have over a HC's staff. Maybe if we would have went with a young, inexperienced head coach, the GM would have been the deciding voice on the DC hire. Whereas with Reich he might have more of the final say.

I wonder if that was a Tepper call or Fitt trying a power play.

wouldn't take it. Problem with these trade hypotheticals is that fans look at all 1st the same and view trades in a vacuum. Burns might be worth two 1st but what type of team usually makes that trade? A good team, that thinks they are a player to two away. Those type of teams are usually picking at the end of the round. How many teams picking in the top 10 this year would give up their next two first? probably not many. So Burns plus #9 is really more like a top 10 pick this year and like a 24-32 pick the next two years. Also its not just if our offer is fair, its how it compares to other teams. What if Indy offers #4 plus their next 2 1st round picks? They probably view that a lot better than #9 and Burns. There is a good chance those two future picks will be top-10 type of picks. Don't get me wrong, I think Burns is valuable but it would probably be more like 1st and 2nd this year, Burns, and a future 2nd.

and we have a winner^ everyone wants to paint him as a Jerry Jones or Snyder type owner but if anything, he has been the opposite. He missed on Rhule, it happens. I would fault him more for giving Hurney too much time. Giving Ron too much time. Giving Rhule too much time. Not meddling in the decision for Bridgewater. Not meddling in the decision for Darnold. Not meddling in the decision to trade Burns. That why this idea that it wasn't an attractive job to HCs because of the owner was ridiculous. The real history he has is overpaying coaches, staying out of their way, and giving them too much time to turn it around. If I'm a coach that exactly the type of owner I want.

Here again hindsight is 20/20. If Mike Tomlin would have failed, you would say it was obvious because he had never been a HC at any level. Fact is there were other NFL people high on him also. I'm sure Cleveland fans knew Belichick was terrible after his first two losing seasons. It's always obvious after the fact. There are no certainties. Either way he swung for the fences, maybe you or I thought it was low percentage play, but the fact was other NFL people were high on him also. Either way he finally changed course (you or I might have done it sooner) but now lets see how it goes. I agree that Reich is the exact opposite, it's actually a very safe play, which I was kind of expecting.