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Personally I think it is all overblown. Owners pick coaches, more times than not they are wrong, it's like drafting players. If it was easy every team would have a good coach. There is no perfect formula for finding the right coach. He went for the "program building, team building, CEO type." Personally, I'm not a big fan of college coaches for various reasons but he decided to go that route. It's easy to second guess now but fact is he was on the NFL radar. This time we are going the experienced HC, with offensive background route, no guarantee that works either. The swings and misses are going to happen, you can't control that with 100% certainty, all you can control is how you handle the misses. BTW, this same logic applies to whatever QB we draft if we do indeed draft one.

I would do that trade, but I don't think the Bears would. I'm guessing to go from 9 to 1 they are looking for something like 3 1st (probably from teams expected to be bad) and 2 2nds. I doubt they view Burns as counting for 2 1st and 2 2nds. #9 + 2024 1st + Burns is probably getting closer.

no it isn't. What do you think it actually includes?

And in three of those wins he had passing totals of 43, 120, and 164 yards. Also passer rating by itself can be a bit misleading because there is no eye test component, it's just a stat driven metric.

lol

Tell me how many penalties, sacks, and pressures each allowed...

so, all we can do is judge him on the games he did coach. Here again what is his overall record and how many wins against teams with winning records? Fact is if we tried to hire an outside coach with his record this place would riot.

90% chance he will be solid? Based on what? What is his overall record? How many of the few wins that he does have is against good teams, or even teams with a winning record?

Much ado about nothing. Pretty much every coaching search has multiple people "involved", and often not all of those people have football backgrounds, that doesn't mean they are going to be the deciding voice. All of this talk about letting "football people" make the decisions is overplayed around here. Owners buy the team, it's their money, the vast majority of time they are the ones who ultimately decide on the head coach. Now during the process do they gather information from "football people" of course, I'm sure Tepper consulted "football people" when Rhule was hired. If you are thinking Rhule, or any owner is going to stay out of the process, you are being very naive. I know it's easy to crucify Tepper, but at the end of the day he picked one coach, who although a lot of us might not had wanted as first choice but the fact was, he was on the NFL radar for openings. Listening to "football people" or fans doesn't guarantee success either, you might had ended up with someone like Hackett last year. I will say though I'm not a big fan of college HCs, I think Jimmy Johnson was the exception not the rule, but that is a subject for another day. Finding a HC is like finding a QB, there is no exact formula and there is probably some luck involved also. You pick one and if they don't work out you go make a change. If it was easy every team would have one. If anything, being too patient with Ron and Rhule bothers me more than the miss on the actual hire. Choosing the wrong candidate is going to happen, same goes for drafting QBs.

Based on what?

With $25-30m you can atleat replace a large part of his production, The draft picks are just bonus. Or you use the $30m to help other positions and spend the draft picks on rushers.

Based on what exactly? Almost seems like a narrative that has been overplayed. Think about it, so far he has shown a willingness to overpay a coach. That is a pretty big selling point to most coaches. He has shown a willingness to be overly patient with coaches according to most fans, for example both Ron and Rhule. As a future coach that would be a good thing. Also from most reports he pretty much lets his football people make the draft decisions. He isn't one of these owners trying to play GM. So he pays well, gives you plenty of time, and stays out of your way during the draft, those are the qualities that probably really make a difference to potential coaches.

and we have a winner^ I think they are just trying to make it into a feel good story, discarded QB goes to terrible team and has some success, makes for a nice story. and for those that say stats don't tell the entire story, check out his PFF grade (which is an eye test btw).

So whose idea was it to get Sam?

Make a list of the top 20-30 QBs of all time and tell me how many never had back to back winning seasons. Either Cam or Ron or Both were severely overrated. Which one was it?

So Cam isn’t worth 3-4 more wins than Darnold? If he is then their records over time probably would have been closer than people want to admit.

Rhule and Rivera are probably closer than people realize. Give Rhule prime Cam and Luke I'm sure his record is better. He goes 5-11 and 5-12 his first two years. Does Cam add 3-4 wins? I think I read or heard somewhere last year if you flip all of our one score games, we make the playoffs. Does Cam and Luke make that big of a difference? If not, then Cam isn't as good as people around here think. Now look at Ron at Wash without a good QB, 2 straight losing seasons to start out. I'm not saying Rhule is better but can't ignore the fact one had a pretty good QB and the other did not.

based on what?

He had Cam and Luke in their primes and never had back to back winning seasons.

Your methodology is flawed, you have to account for the cap savings. What's the chance of getting a pro bowler with $25-#30m? 80%? 90%? The picks are almost just bonus.

hence, Donta Jackson size

Russell is bigger, especially weight wise. Young might be closer to Donte Jackson in size than Russell Wilson.

People need to be careful, I wouldn't call them the gold standard, more of an exception. I give the organization credit for how they run their team but to think every "toolsy" prospect will turn into Josh Allen is going to leave mots teams disappointed.

you are right. The really good organizations, with the really good QBs, are the ones looking for head coaches usually.......

Here again everyone is talking about the rare exception. For every McDaniel there are 10 guys out there that would take the job. If we don't find a good coach its not going to be because we have no good candidates, its going to be because we picked the wrong one.