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The oline is bad but its distracting everyone from the main problem on this team.

Philly 4th and 9th best, worst record than us. Better get a QB.

Washington Football Team is 1st and 2nd respective and they have two wins. You better find a QB.

Grier was always the correct answer Actually they should have slow played the Cam situation. "hey Cam, based on recent injuries we aren't comfortable giving you an extension. You are welcome to look for a trade, if not you can play on the last year of your deal" After that you go with Grier and we are still in this spot with a lot more cap space and draft picks.

they have been a bit predictable unfortunately.

I agree, on paper it seems to be a down year. I'm just afraid we have backed ourselves into a corner and we force something. Think about all the times you were high on a player and he turned out bad, or you didn't like a guy and he turned out good. Maybe that happens here.

Not necessarily. QBs aren't even money bets, if you get lucky and you are right then its worth it, all is good. Problem is, we have probably backed our self into a corner where we end up taking a gamble with really bad odds.

More like 2 games we should win, 1 game we will win that we shouldn't and 1 game we will win because the other team rest their starters. So we end up 8-9 and pick 15th.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if we do the opposite. We might be drafting in that 10-14 range and try to move into the top 10 to get a QB.

I could actually see him back next year. His salary is guaranteed, paying him 18m to sit at home hurts also. Especially if we draft someone, Sam could start the season, if he plays good the staff saves some ego, if he plays bad its easy to let the rookie slide in with no pressure.

Its obvious by the drafting and free agency moves that they thought they could be productive offensively based on scheme. Whereas defense needed personnel. Like you said it is probably a bit of a reality check for them coming from college. Maybe they learn from it and become better coaches.

Teddy is a way better QB than Sam and has been his entire career. You give Teddy this defense and we have a couple more wins.

This defense with just an average or slightly below average offense (Teddy or Cam) would make for a really good team.

I don't think so. I think Rhule, Hurney, Fitt, someone convinced him they coudl win now with these guys. Tepper wants his Roethlisberger. Franchise guy that you draft and he plays for you for 15 years. A QB that you helps you win, not one that you win in spite of.

Everyone has been so worried about Tepper being one of those hands on owners that meddles in the day to day operations, a Jerry Jones or Snyder type. If anything he has been the opposite, he has been more patient than most expected and he has seemed to stay out of the day to day operations and has let the "football people" make football decisions. I think we have reached a point were he might set some directives. Time to find a QB, enough with the experiments, everything we do from this point on should be for one goal, to find a franchise QB. I'm not saying he will pick the actual QB in the draft but I think there will be a lot of pressure to draft a QB this year, which can be dangerous when you start talking yourself into someone, but we have reached that point. Like I said he might not pick the actual QB but I could see a lot of people in the organization hoping it is Sam Howell. Being a Carolina guy would be good for the fan base. Lets be honest, best thing that could happen to this organization this year is to not win another game. In reality that probably wont happen, defense is too good and there are some really bad teams in the league this year. Drafting in that 6-10 range instead of that 12-16 range would be huge though, and even then might have to do a trade up. I could see anyone on the roster being available as part of a trade up along with picks.

the irony is, that with our defense this year, that our staff just wanted Sam to be a game manager which Teddy actually does well.

This QB class is going to be all of the place. There doesn't seem to be much consensus among the so called experts. With that being said I don't see us drafting high enough to get QB1 or QB2. There are a lot of really bad teams this year. We might even need to trade up a little to get QB3. I don't see Corral making it past QB2. If you are a Howell fan you need Willis to play really well and become QB2. His last game doesn't help that.

This team was so obsessed over finding a top 10 QB that we released a middle 10 QB to gamble on a bottom 10 QB because we convinced ourselves that said bottom 10 QB had a higher ceiling.

I agree. We took a QB who has been one of the worst in the league, not average, not slightly below average, but one of the worst by many metrics, and we act surprised by what is happening? I'm not sure how you really judge the offensive staff. I would criticize them more for thinking this was a good idea than the actual play calling.

Sam. You don't trade a player, you trade their contract. We traded for the right to pick up Sam's 18m contract next year. CJ has a few years left on his rookie deal.

I don't mind Rhule, a lot of new to the NFL coaches have struggled their first few years, but he has to drop the ego. All the coaches at this level are pros, you aren't special and you aren't going to work magic on these players. Once a player has been in the league for a few years you have a pretty good idea of what you have. The exceptions are far and few in between.

correct, but he isn't guaranteed to be the 1st or 2nd QB off of the board either, which could be good for us. I'm think there is going to a good bit of variance among the top 4-5 QBs among teams this year. I'm not sure there is a QB in this class that would have been top-4 QB last year, but at the time i could see QB 3 or 4 falling to that 10-14 range. In reality you can't get caught up in this year vs last year vs next year talk, at the end of the day you evaluate the QBs in front of you and go from there. If you don't have a franchise QB you have to try, its not about finding a guy you are 100% right about, its about finding a guy that you think has a good enough chance to be worth the gamble.

Like who? Most really good FA QBs don’t make it to market unless they are really old. I just think sooner or later we need to draft our guy.

and you might be right, waiting until 2023 might be the smart move. My opinion though, is that at some point you need to draft a guy early and let him develop and quit hoping for shortcuts. You can't wait for the perfect prospect and the #1 pick.

lol, that was our options going into the season. better?